2011-02-16 10:39:17Glenn Tamblyn -- Citations Needed
John Hartz
John Hartz


A few days ago, you posted a lengthy tome on the comment thread of an article posted on Politico.com. Included in it were the following paragprahs. If it is not too much trouble, please furnish citations/links to recent publshed papers and/or SkS articles that you drew your statements from.


Or even recent studies showing warming right to the abyssal depths.

Or local indirect evidence - changing patterns of flowering times, animal migration times, earlier onset of spring, melting of the permafrost in the Arctic - did you know the Ob river system in Siberia, a river system as big as the Mississippi, has seen a 40% increase in the amount of water flowing down it in the last few decades; All that melting permafrost. And this is producing regions across the north - Siberia, Alaska, Canada, Scandinavia, where there is methane bubbling up inside lakes even in winter. Pretty spectacular stuff; Cut a hole in the ice, look at the nice bubbles in the water below. Get your cigarette lighter out and WHOOSH - Burning lake. Then there is the more technical data associated with warming. The Jet Streams have moved to higher latitudes. The Inter-Tropical Convergence zones have moved to higher latitudes. Currents such as the West Spitsbergen Current have warmed. The tropopause is moving higher. The Outgoing Longwave Radiation Spectrum for the planet is changing, showing increased absorption by GH Gases. And a corresponding change in Downwelling Radiation. The stratosphere has cooled as expected.

Now let go closer to home. I assume you are an American, where as I am not. How is the level of Lake Mead doing? When did the Colorado River last actually reach the sea? What is happening to the snowpack in the Rockies and the Sierrra's - you know, the melt water that keeps Southern California and Las Vegas alive? Have you ever tried digging under the rolling hills of the Plains States? If you dig down deep enough you will find compacted sand since in the past these were sand dunes in an ancient desert. How is the Oglallah Aquifer doing - that is the underground water that is the basis of much of the corn, soy and sorghum crops in the Great Plains States - who really eats sorghum anyway?