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2011-08-15 08:53:44 | Where does this Plimer volcano quote come from? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
John Cook john@skepticalscience... 124.177.173.40 |
Someone emailed me this article which quotes Plimer:
This statement is so demonstrably wrong (and yet going viral), it deserves a direct response just to show what a discredited source Plimer is. Does anyone know the original source where Plimer first said this? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 09:26:57 | similar | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 69.230.106.125 |
Don't know the source of that exact quote, but here's a similar one:
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2011-08-15 09:29:43 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.93.143.84 |
Nope, but how easy is that line to debunk? Pinatubo emissions greater than all of human history? Crikey! Math is clearly not a "skeptic" forte. Do you want a specific rebuttal to this? If so, I'll try to track down the original reference. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 09:56:33 | found it | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 69.230.106.125 |
Here it is (emphasis added)
I'm not convinced Plimer actually wrote that, although the blogger suggests that he did. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 10:13:58 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.93.143.84 |
Dana, your link appears broken. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 10:26:00 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Daniel Bailey Daniel Bailey yooper49855@hotmail... 97.83.150.37 |
Both worked for me, Rob | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 10:34:19 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.93.143.84 |
Righto, got it to work. Some web browser glitch I imagine. All of human emissions compared to Mt Pinatubo would look very funny. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 12:21:27 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Daniel Bailey Daniel Bailey yooper49855@hotmail... 97.83.150.37 |
"All of human emissions compared to Mt Pinatubo would look very funny. " Sounds like an idea for a graphic for jg to work on... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 12:34:57 | jg graphic | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
John Cook john@skepticalscience... 124.177.173.40 |
It's a little derivative of jg's earlier graphic which is why I was loathe to bring it up but upon reflection, there's nothing wrong with repetitiveness. On the contrary, repetition is a strong communication technique and we should embrace it rather than avoid it. So what about we find out how much CO2 Pinatubo emitted (probably hundreds of millions of tonnes) versus how much CO2 humans have emitted (over 1 thousand billion tonnes) and compare them visually. That would be a useful, strong graphic for anyone who encounters the Pinatubo CO2 argument. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 16:24:24 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.93.228.85 |
From Terry Gerlach's latest paper - 2010 human CO2 emissions were 700 times greater than the CO2 from the Mt Pinatubo eruption. Maybe a graphic and a link to Gerlach's paper is all that is required for a basic version rebuttal? The intermediate version could point out the rather obvious flaws in the argument. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 20:49:53 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Daniel Bailey Daniel Bailey yooper49855@hotmail... 97.83.150.37 |
I'm still in favor of the total thingy. If 2010 emissions (30 Gt) were 700x then Pinatubo was about 21Mt. Found this:
Not exactly CDIAC, but a number. From Gerlach above:
So Gerlach says Pinatubo was about 50 Mt. Also per Gerlach, peak emissions of Pinatubo only matched that of mankind:
We need more solid numbers; right now we have 50 Mt of Pinatubo vs 300 Gt...found this showing peak rates of the Iceland volcano (maintain for a few days): And this, better info from the USGS:
* Equal to 2% of the world's coal-fired electricity-generating capacity. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 22:08:13 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.93.225.150 |
Over half a trillion metric tons of carbon dioxide so far, according to these guys: The Trillionth Tonne. So (rounding up to 549 billion) total human emissions are 10,980 times greater than the Mt Pinatubo eruption. Just like the original poster JC linked to claimed.......not! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-15 22:40:40 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.93.225.150 |
Using 549,957,000,000 gives us 10,999 greater. Make it 11,000 times greater than Mt Pinatubo, and be done with it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2011-08-17 03:45:38 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Daniel Bailey Daniel Bailey yooper49855@hotmail... 97.83.150.37 |
Found this on RC |