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2011-06-21 22:30:12 | Monckton's latest | |
James Wight jameswight@southernphone.com... 121.79.15.44 |
I just wasted an hour of my life watching this Monckton lecture. Unsurprisingly, he continues to make many of the arguments we’ve debunked on SkS. The only new parts were:
Given Christopher Monckton is coming to Australia in a couple of weeks’ time, I figured we might want to get ready to counter the arguments he’s been making recently. So here are some arguments he made that we don’t yet have rebuttals to:
Also, I’m not sure if this is the sort of thing that is appropriate for a SkS rebuttal, but at the end of the lecture Monckton attempts to associate climate scientists with Nazis, by presenting a series of (mis)quotes on the same slide as a swastika. Monckton claims:
This was received with sycophantic yeses from the audience of “skeptics”. Firstly, the actual name of the body in question is the German Advisory Council on Global Change (WBGU). The words “scientific” and “environmental” seem to be completely fabricated. Secondly, the WBGU website says: “The German federal government set up WBGU as an independent, scientific advisory body in 1992 in the run-up to the Rio Earth Summit.” It wasn’t founded by Hitler as Monckton claims. Thirdly, this is what the report in question actually says:
Monckton continues:
I was unable to find this sentence anywhere in the report (though the search tool seems to be playing up so it may be in there somewhere). In fact, it says the opposite:
Monckton also shows the following quote from Ross Garnaut:
For once this quote is correct, but it is misattributed to the 2011 Garnaut update (it was actually from the original 2008 Garnaut report), and Monckton adds his own interpretation in the narration:
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2011-06-22 08:53:21 | ||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 64.129.227.4 |
Geez those are some crappy myths. The IPCC doesn't even predict CO2 rise. We've got "Mitigating would cost more than the damages it would prevent" in "CO2 limits will harm the economy". And of course there's Godwin's Law. Monckton sure loves him some Nazis. | |
2011-06-22 15:04:06 | Monckton rebuttal document | |
John Cook john@skepticalscience... 121.222.9.229 |
There is some discussion among various organisations on how to respond to the Monckton tour. It's a delicate balancing act because we don't want to give him oxygen and attract media attention to him but we also need to be ready to respond in case he's getting media attention. Some organisations have asked if SkS could summate their various Monckton Myths into a single, relatively short PDF document that they could have at hand for their own members and also to give to journalists if queries come up about Monckton's science arguments. I was hoping to get hold of the powerpoint PDF Monckton will be using in Australia and a few people contacted Monckton who was coy about sending them a copy so that came to naught. So the Swastika Talk that James just watched is his most recent presentation. James, if we were going to do a PDF of Monckton's key arguments that he is most likely to be using in Australia, which ones should we include based on what you saw in the Swastika Talk? | |
2011-06-22 16:46:04 | Arguments in Swastika Talk | |
James Wight jameswight@southernphone.com... 112.213.150.176 |
(Note: I’ve bolded the arguments Monckton spends most time on. This list differs from my original post because then I mapped Monckton’s specific versions of arguments to the general ones in our database.) | |
2011-06-24 15:02:33 | ||
citizenschallenge Peter Miesler citizenschallenge7@gmail... 166.128.228.117 |
James, may I copy and use your above list? As for attribution? | |
2011-06-24 15:27:06 | Sure | |
James Wight jameswight@southernphone.com... 121.79.16.40 |
You don't have to attribute it. | |
2011-06-26 15:08:06 | ||
citizenschallenge Peter Miesler citizenschallenge7@gmail... 32.176.134.100 |
thank you. | |
2011-06-26 15:20:33 | Using James' list | |
John Cook john@skepticalscience... 121.222.9.229 |
BTW, James, I also took your list and passed it onto The Conversation who are doing a series MoncktonWatch and asked for some recommended topics to cover - I passed on your list of subjects and the link to his latest talk. So great work! |