2011-09-23 22:56:51Immortalized!
grypo

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173.69.6.13

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/9/23/an-awkward-position-josh-120.html

 

If that place hadn't gotten creeepy enough for you, here's...

 

2011-09-23 23:00:09What the?!?!
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
123.211.208.191

That doesn't look anything like me? After the great job he did with Andy Dessler, I'm very disappointed!

And I've never worn purple pants in my life! This is a slur, an outrage!

2011-09-23 23:32:48
nealjking

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91.33.99.6

I don't see any resemblance at all! The guy in the corner has ears!

2011-09-24 00:44:13
Paul D

chillcast@googlemail...
82.18.130.183

Is there any significance in the red paint??

2011-09-24 01:47:30
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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64.129.227.4

Hah, these guys just get funnier and funnier (though not in the way they intend).

2011-09-24 04:26:29How about...
John Hartz
John Hartz
john.hartz@hotmail...
98.122.98.161

we ask jg to draw a cartoon showing JC leading the SkS marching band to the tune of "Science is sef-correcting."

2011-09-24 04:37:53
Rob Painting
Rob
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118.92.32.245

A good cartoonist should be able to capture the essential physical characteristics that distinguish the person being caricatured. On that basis alone, an epic fail.  

2011-09-24 04:52:24
nealjking

nealjking@gmail...
91.33.99.6

JH: Not funny.

RP: Yes: as mentioned before, the caricature has ears; whereas we have photographic evidence that JC does not.

2011-09-24 04:56:39
Dikran Marsupial
Gavin Cawley
gcc@cmp.uea.ac...
139.222.14.107

@Neal perhaps the caption should have been "The walls have ears, even if John Cook appears not to"? ;o)

2011-09-24 06:04:44
jg
John Garrett
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98.112.44.162

I have to confess I admire the quality of the cartoon work. Significant effort went into that. I can see how Bishop Hill was motivated to keep this non-issue an issue. If I had someone put that much work into a cartoon, I'd be tempted bend reality too in order to use it. (I stress "tempted")

2011-09-24 06:42:12
Rob Honeycutt

robhon@mac...
98.207.62.223

These are all great signs that SkS has made an impact.  Honestly, these guys are going to be driving WAY more traffic our way.  We should thank them.

2011-09-24 07:11:47comment
Robert Way

robert_way19@hotmail...
134.153.162.53

Yes so we have to tigthen up the ship a bit with enhanced scrutiny.

2011-09-24 07:40:33
Alex C

coultera@umich...
67.194.29.181

@Neal: but just barely ;-)

2011-09-24 10:44:14
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
dana1981@yahoo...
69.230.106.125

Watts posted it too.  After saying we need to have more civil discourse and avoid ad homs.  And he made a joke about my AR4 post, after he royally screwed up the analyis of the cloud cover paper.

Hypocrisy doesn't even begin to describe it.

2011-09-24 13:26:26
Brian Purdue

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121.218.161.146

This belongs in the “Lucia attacks dana” thread also.

It’s only an idea and let me say nothing will stop denier website attacks.

But now there is starting to be a history of “blow things out of all proportion” attacks on SkS, this could be brought to public attention using article/s written by high profile journalist/s (eg George Monbiot) or a utube video done (eg Peter Hadfield).

Number of attacks is already being recorded but detailed history needs to be longer before malicious intent can be proven and there is a story worth telling.

Something to think about and there may be pitfalls?

2011-09-24 18:06:56
nealjking

nealjking@gmail...
84.151.42.63

Complaining about a cartoon seems rather thin-skinned.

I wouldn't do it.

2011-09-25 00:51:25One toon begets another...
John Hartz
John Hartz
john.hartz@hotmail...
98.122.98.161

Where's jg when we need him?

 PS -- A battle of the toons would be fun for both sides.  

2011-09-25 01:16:51
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
dana1981@yahoo...
69.230.106.125
No, we can't stoop to their level. Not that I'm opposed to cartoons - they're great, but we can't make them personal attacks like the deniers have been doing. They're making themselves look really bad right now - let them. I left a comment on the WUWT thread by the way. Couldn't resist pointing out Watts' massive hypocrisy :-)
2011-09-25 01:23:22dana1981
John Hartz
John Hartz
john.hartz@hotmail...
98.122.98.161

As Churchill said, "We will fight them on the land. We will fght them on the sea. We will fight them in the air." 

2011-09-25 02:43:10
Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey
yooper49855@hotmail...
97.83.150.37

John H:

I must agree with dana and neal.  There is a time to attack (usally to press or to gain an advantage); however, the gains vs costs must be weighed.  In any contest between SkS and the denialists, the philosophical and scientific high ground position we occupy must be retained.

Skirmishes and sortees that do not meet satisfy those conditions and objectives should not be pursued, no matter the transitory emotional euphoria derived.

However, it would be fun, for a bit.  In much the same fashion as cheating on one's diet.  Then costs must be calculated and pipers paid...

2011-09-25 03:50:31Toons can be funny w/o being offensive
John Hartz
John Hartz
john.hartz@hotmail...
98.122.98.161

What about  toon showing John Cook flying in a Superman like suit with "SkS" emblazened on his chest heading straight into an incoming "Denial Myth" missle?

Our toons do not have to directly attack the dorks at Bishop Hill.

2011-09-25 07:09:20
nealjking

nealjking@gmail...
84.151.42.63

JH:

That would be a perfect setup for them if they ever find a bonafide error at SkS.

Don't count on it never happening.

2011-09-25 08:28:50Even Superman...
John Hartz
John Hartz
john.hartz@hotmail...
98.122.98.161

gets knocked out by Kyrptonite now and then.

2011-09-25 10:03:55
Tom Curtis

t.r.curtis@gmail...
112.213.178.133

John Hartz, the denier game is to get people to switch of from listening to science.  They have a massive advantage in that task, science is complicated, subtle and exacting.  People's natural laziness already inclines many of them to switch of from science.  IMO that is exacerbated by an animosity prompted by a subconsciously recognized undestanding that they are less intelligent than most scientists.  If they get to think about how stupid the scientists are because they do not recognize some simple, obvious "fact", they get a real thrill out of their percieved superiority - a thrill they cannot earn by honest thought and study.  To make things worse, science is now telling them very uncomfortable truths.

 

Given this, giving people an excuse to swithch of on science is always a bad tactic.  A Supercook or SkSman cartoon is asking for trouble.

2011-09-25 11:21:49What they're trying to do...
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
61.69.204.3
Is reduce our credibility, tarnish our brand of a reliable source of peer reviewed based science. A cartoon war would not help our cause.
2011-09-25 11:39:30Attension
grypo

gryposaurus@gmail...
173.69.6.13

John, moment ago your username was Lubos_motl.  Wutts up with that?

2011-09-25 12:36:56
John Hartz
John Hartz
john.hartz@hotmail...
98.122.98.161

I ran it up the flag pole and no one saluted. So much for exploring ways to show the humoress side of SkS.

2011-09-25 12:51:12
Albatross
Julian Brimelow
stomatalaperture@gmail...
199.126.232.206

Err, John C, what is going on? 

2011-09-25 13:20:36Motl
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
dana1981@yahoo...
69.230.106.125

I think John was jusing a fake Motl ID for the blogging experiment.

2011-09-25 15:36:48Lubos Motl username
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
123.211.208.191

Was waiting for someone to notice and freak out. I still need a handful of comments for each condition of our blogging experiment so I created a new user account, partly so it's not confusing having comments from the "author" of the blog posts and secondly, having a Lubos comment might've got some attention and attracted a few SkSers into the threads (that idea didn't pan out at all). Anyway, while I have your attention, the links for the 4 conditions are:

  • Warmist blog post, all warmist comments
  • Warmist blog post, all skeptic comments
  • Skeptic blog post, all warmist comments
  • Skeptic blog post, all skeptic comments
  • All I need is a few more comments in each thread, to get it up to 10 comments each, so please go in there and post a strongly pro-warmist or pro-skeptic comment to help with our experiment. Thanks!

    2011-09-25 15:46:54
    Albatross
    Julian Brimelow
    stomatalaperture@gmail...
    199.126.232.206

    Bloody hell John, please don't do that again, my heart won't be able to handle it!