2011-09-18 20:15:47Don Easterbrook's climate change book on Amazon
MarkR
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Link.

 

I couldn't resist leaving a review. Can only see the first and parts of the second chapter, it's full of the usual denial talking points. Ignore most of the data, do your sums wrong, don't understand physics etc. I found 5 clear errors in 5-10 minutes.

My review is pretty strongly disliked. Truth hurts? :D

2011-09-18 20:31:58
Rob Painting
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Very funny!

2011-09-18 20:33:10
nealjking

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I stuck in my oar. But just a bit: I am not going to waste any reading that stuff.

2011-09-18 20:39:18
Paul D

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Crumbs, I only read a few lines and just found a load of unsubstantiated information, about governments tampering with data etc.

2011-09-18 20:40:01
MarkR
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Yeah, not much point in anyone else getting involved...

I'm surprised Elsevier would publish this, I only usually see the logo next to journal articles. I think I'll try to find out whether their book authors have to be accurate and whether we can make them correct errors.

2011-09-18 21:06:53
nealjking

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MarkR,

It looks like they're making a new push into book publication. This might be interesting:

http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/bookauthors

 

From seeing their books in physics, my impression is that they tended to be authoritative, but over-priced and physically frail (liable to falling apart). I don't know if you could get them to change anything; but if you got through to an editor with a well-documented list of clear-cut problems, they might get nervous.

I'd be tempted to ask them if they plan to publish a critique of Darwin, along the lines of the Intelligent Design school of thought; but perhaps that would be pushing it!

2011-09-19 03:36:09
dana1981
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It's hard to believe anyone takes Easterbrook seriously.  In the Lessons from Past Predictions series, he had one of the worst global temperature predictions, which he stood by in 2008.  I guess when you're a denier, it doesn't matter how wrong you are.  Just being a "scientist" gives you denialist credibility.

I'm going to highlight Easterbrook's horrid prediction in my book - it's actually the next chapter I'm going to write.  In the meantime, I said Mark's review was "helpful" and would suggest others do the same.

2011-09-19 03:48:45
nealjking

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$105.53 for THAT?

Well, I did say that Elsevier books are over-priced.

2011-09-19 03:55:04
dana1981
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Yeah I said the same thing neal - the price combined with the absolute rubbish quotes Mark found in just the first chapter - anyone who shells out that money is a huge sucker.

2011-09-19 04:07:56
nealjking

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MarkR,

Did you pay real money for that?

Will you be my godfather?

2011-09-19 04:17:06
Alex C

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You're writing a book Dana?  Cool!

2011-09-19 04:34:36Hey you lazy guys
nealjking

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Get out to the Amazon page and vote "Yes" on MarkR's review.

This isn't a vote on Easterbrook's book (which no one but MarkR has read): It's a vote on whether his review is any good or not. Currently it's running at 2/9, meaning that only Dana and I liked it.

2011-09-19 04:46:16
Alex C

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Voted.

2011-09-19 05:28:21
logicman

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The best thing about that book is its price.  In any society the bulk of the population earns far less than the national average wage.  What that means for the UK is that the vast majority of people here aren't even going to think of buying that book.

Three cheers for economics!

 

"Authored by 8 of the world’s leading climate scientists, each with more than 25 years of experience in the field"

Not listed at Amazon or Elsevier.  Who are the other 7 ?

Chapter 12 is by Nicola Scaffeta - freely downloadable PDF

2011-09-19 06:23:52
dana1981
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neal - I think Mark just looked at a preview of the first chapter?  I believe Amazon offers some previews like that.

Alex - yeah, a book based on the Lessons from Past Predictions series.  About halfway through so far. 

2011-09-19 18:03:32
MarkR
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I read the preview. I couldn't ethically pay money to support the perversion of science.

I'm waiting on Elsevier to get back to me on publisher ethics.

2011-09-19 18:23:53
Paul D

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One should be cautious in that Amazon may have selected specific pages to encourage sales to a wider audience.

2011-09-19 20:34:20
MarkR
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That may be the case, although the sections I read were editor intro & the first chapter.

But this is being sold as a science book. It gets simple facts wrong - it shouldn't matter whether they occur in chapter 1, 10 or 100.