2011-09-07 11:02:27Poking the Bee's Nest (American non-Thinker Redux)
Daniel Bailey
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More gibberish here:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/the_warmists_strike_back.html

 

Being unable to resist such low-hanging succulence, I posted the folowing:

Actually, Spencer's paper is claiming that warming ocean waters are caused by...

(wait for it)

...warming ocean waters (Spencer thus creates a perpetual energy creation mechanism to explain the warming observed in the oceans).  Which presents an embarassing moment for any editor of science papers.

2011-09-07 13:05:35
Daniel Bailey
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Over 2 hours now & my comment still not approved by the moderators...go figure.

2011-09-07 17:46:37
Paul D

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It could be that they are relating posts to the links from this site. Maybe they are preventing possible SkS people from posting??

I think that although creating links to articles on skeptic sites does make it convenient to go over and make a comment, it does leave a trail back here.

I am of the opinion that it might be wise to have a policy of displaying the URL but not linking when the author of the comment is suggesting others should comment at the site, eg:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/the_warmists_strike_back.html

This means the URL has to be copied and there is no trail back to this site.
(Although in the case of American Thinker unless you create a new user account, it is possible that it is to late).

2011-09-07 18:27:43
Paul D

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Actually there is a Yooper comment on there.

2011-09-07 20:41:18Paul
Daniel Bailey
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I used a private email, not anything related to a SkS domain.  And at SkS I use my real name as my screen name, whereas at AmNonThink I used an avatar name w/ faked real name login info.

Yes, it showed up w/ a 3-hour lag.  And "ManfredHoffmann" immediately posted his 'Rebuttal" to my comment again.

I'll post a comment on a 3rd thread to see if "ManfredHoffmann" also follows up with more nonsense, just for fun.

2011-09-07 20:53:18
Daniel Bailey
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Just posted this on the same thread:

 

But then again, Spencer also believes clouds cause ENSO (El Nino-Southern Oscillation), a series of oceanic oscillations which redistribute heat within the system.  In effect he argues the global tail wags the global dog.  Interesting, the internal dichotomy that exists in such an individual.

2011-09-07 20:55:42
Paul D

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"I used a private email, not anything related to a SkS domain. "

True but anyone clicking on the link you provided above will be logged in American Thinkers site statistics, with a time stamp of the visit. The stats will show that numerous people visited from the domain 'skeptical science' over a specific time period and during that time they got a number of pro-AGW comments.

2011-09-07 21:01:56
Daniel Bailey
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I removed the hot-link above

2011-09-07 21:18:30
Paul D

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I might have a go at posting a comment as EnglishThinker.
If that doesn't work I might try registering again with a different email.

Although, now they might have tagged my IP address, although that should change occasionally.

2011-09-07 22:17:31
Paul D

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Just posted this as EnglishThinker, start the stop watch!

"Surely the issue regarding submitting a research paper to an inappropriate journal implies the author of the paper knows there is a problem with it?
Would it be OK for Roy Spencer to submit his paper to a journal about genetics?

If 'deniers' or 'skeptics' are not allowed to publish in mainstream science journals why was Jasper Kirkby recently published by Nature??

Surely his research is aimed at proving that GHGs have a reduced effect and that the Sun/Cosmic Rays have a bigger effect??"

2011-09-07 23:15:16
Paul D

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Well they published that pretty quickly.

2011-09-08 02:46:52Fish on; posted this
Daniel Bailey
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Turophile, climate is different from weather.  Climate is the what weather adds up to over long periods of time; typically, 30 years or more is the standard used to differentiate weather from climate.  Over these long periods, trends can be discerned in the data as being discrete from the noisy variation inherent in chaotic systems.

Climate scientists use temperature anomalies (the difference from established long-term benchmarks of temperatures for specific locations) to track changes (so seasonal variations are already taken into account).  Thus, on average, our planet is now warmer than at any point in the last 115,000 years.  And this warming is occurring at a time when forcings (those outside factors that act to destabilize a system at equilibrium) are negative.  So the system is warming when its thermostat is set to "cool".

This comes from empirical evidence, not from computer models (BTW, all computer models do is to run physics problems so that people don't have to work out the maths by hand).

2011-09-08 04:05:46
Paul D

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Your comment hasn't been published DB but another reposte has.

2011-09-08 04:26:32
Paul D

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Actually your comment has been posted as well as two others all addressing turophile.

Actually a point I would have made is that the small rise in temperature is permanant unlike seasonal changes.
Also all species have eveolved to live with the seasonal changes in temperature, that isn't true for changes due to climate change.

2011-09-08 04:31:14
Rob Honeycutt

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BuzzFledderjohn is me.