2011-08-30 23:15:59Heck, maybe we should just draft Huntsman as a Democrat
nealjking

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/29/huntsman_climate_change_has_an_established_body_of_science_associated_with_it.html

I am getting tired of Obama playing it "safe". At least Huntsman has the guts to say he thinks AGW is real and scientists are not money-grubbing tools.

2011-08-31 01:39:14
dana1981
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Yeah, I wish he had responded to that douchebag's repeated claims that climate scientists are falsifying data though.  But at least he's willing to go on Fox News and say he trusts climate scientists.  Obama won't even utter the word "climate" anymore.

2011-08-31 01:39:48
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These are strange times in which we live when a moderate Republican is viewed as a good Democrat.  That's why I think Obama is going to be able to pull the reelection off.  He doesn't need to do anything special at all, other than NOT be Rick Perry, to get me to the polls to vote.  But to get reelected he needs to get Independents and moderate Republicans to show up at the polls to vote for him.

I'm okay with that.

2011-08-31 01:49:12
dana1981
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Obama is practically a moderate Republican himself.  These are also strange times because there's no real liberal party anymore.  It's moderates vs. extreme right-wingers.  It sucks.

If Obama is re-elected, we probably get 4 more years of spineless ineptitude.  If Perry or another Republican is elected, we get 4 years of destructive insanity.  Hopefully Obama will win on the "not-insanity" vote, but I know I'm going to be holding my nose when I vote for him.  Incredibly disappointed in his presidency at this point.

One thing Perry would have going for him is excitement from the (Tea Party whackjob) base.  Obama is going to have zero excitement from his base, because he's totally abandoned it.

2011-08-31 02:03:10
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Well, problem here is that we have more than one branch of government.  By design Obama has limited powers.  I came out hard and fast and did a lot that he never gets any recognition for.  I think his desire to do healthcare shows he genuinely is a liberal at heart.  What I see in Obama is his desire to allow the legislative process do its job.  He's less a "bully pulpit" guy and more of a technocrat.

The only way we're going to see any major sea change is to see large numbers of liberal Democrats swep into office on Obama's coattails.  If there were a fillibuster-proof majority and cooperative liberals (as opposed to being typically combatitive) then I think you'd see a different Obama.

He as much as indicated this was how he was going to govern from the outset saying that he needed to be the leader of all the people not just those who voted for him.  All his talk about the book "Team of Rivals", even his campaign talk of there not being a red America and a blue America, there just the United States of America.  This is all playing out exactly that way.  It's just that a large chunk of that America has gone fringe lunatic.

2011-08-31 04:10:58
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If we don't get a Democratic Congress (WORKING majority in both houses), nothing will get done. Still better than going negative with the GOPers, but still nothing. If Obama doesn't charge up the electorate, that's what we're looking at.

2011-08-31 04:21:58
dana1981
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Obama's certainly not charging up the electorate.  Democrats will hopefully make some gains in Congress just because the Republicans are so unpopular right now, especially after the whole debt ceiling debacle.  Hopefully people are starting to awaken to the reality that unemployment is a bigger problem than the deficit, and cutting spending kills jobs.  It would help if the Democrats would make that point instead of just pushing for slightly less spending cuts.  Another failure from Obama on that issue.

But last Gallup poll, Congressional Dems were +7% over Congressional Republicans.  Rasmussen has Republicans at +10, but they tend to have a Republican bias.  It's going to be up to the individual Dems though, because Obama doesn't have any coattails left.

2011-08-31 04:23:53
Rob Honeycutt

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Man, Neal, I hope that is exactly what is going to happen.  Honestly, the Dems in Congress can be their own worst enemy.  In many ways they are the enablers of the crazy on the right.

2011-08-31 05:57:46
nealjking

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In the polls, the Democrats lead. But if you look at InTrade numbers, you get the impression that the GOPers are more likely to gain:

http://www.intrade.net/market/listing/showEvent.faces?e=28882

http://www.intrade.net/market/listing/showEvent.faces?e=28884

These numbers reflect what people are willing to bet on.

2011-08-31 07:02:03
Rob Painting
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Hey, Dana, that tirade on Obama is a turnabout from a month ago. Starting to see the light?

2011-08-31 07:26:21eh?
dana1981
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Turnabout from what?  I've been disappointed in Obama for ages.

2011-09-01 02:01:34Jon Huntsman's last, best shot
John Hartz
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Jon Huntsman’s last, best shot

2011-09-01 02:21:01
nealjking

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A glimmer of light on Obama's side.

But we need more on the Democrats' side generally.

2011-09-01 03:36:15
dana1981
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I do think Obama will win re-election.  If nothing else, there are no Republican challengers who should be able to beat him.  Perry is a whackjob who Obama can accurately portray as Bush on steroids.  Romney is just a boring moderate and a flip-flopper.

What we need is for Democrats to make major gains in Congress.

2011-09-01 04:20:47
Rob Honeycutt

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I hope Perry gets the nomination because his style of crazy will strike fear into the left and bring them out to the polls.  That could turn into lots of additional seats in Congress.

We need a fillibuster proof majority bigtime.  Then I wish they'd get rid of the fillibuster once and for all.  That damn thing does more to make this nation ungovernable than anything else.

2011-09-01 04:45:48
dana1981
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Yeah but if they didn't get rid of the filibuster after 2010, they're not going to get rid of it, period.  Both parties are just too scared that when they're in the minority, they won't matter without a filibuster.

I guess the days are gone when politicians are expected to use their brains and morals.  Now they're just expected to vote along the party line, and do whatever it takes (including invoking the filibuster) to prevent the opposing party from achieving their goals, even if those goals are supported by the majority of Americans.  It wasn't that long ago that politicians would compromise and pass bipartisan legislation, and rarely invoke the filibuster.  Now toeing the party line and abusing the filibuster has become the norm.  And they're too scared to change it.  The Senate is broken.

2011-09-01 09:01:36dana1981
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The federal government (all three barnches) is now a "Government of big coprorations, by big corporations, and for big corporations." As long as Citizens United stands, the people are screwed. 

2011-09-01 09:11:49
nealjking

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Some harm could be ameliorated by requiring disclosure of source of $$; however, pressure has to be applied to Congress to get that done. Lawrence Lessig (used to be an expert on the topic of internet law) has created an organization to de-fang Citizens United in that way. I'm not sure how far they're getting: a contribute to them from time to time, but I can't quite remember their name! Not a good sign for either of us ...

2011-09-02 01:43:53
dana1981
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Scratch Huntsman as a Democrat.  His jobs plan strongly endorses exploiting the tar sands, increasing domestic drilling (by minimizing regulatory oversight), and he even endorses liquified coal as a transportation fuel. 

Basically Huntsman is one of those Republicans who admits global warming is a problem, but is unwilling to do anything about it.  Better than being a hardcore denier, but not by a whole lot.

2011-09-02 02:57:50nealjking
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You might want to reconsider..

Huntsman also took aim at the Environmental Protection Agency, which his opponents have also targeted, saying, “We must end the EPA’s serious regulatory overreach.”

Source: "Jon Huntsman unveils jobs plan in New Hampshire'" Washignton Post, Aug 31, 2011

2011-09-02 06:30:30
nealjking

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Well, then they're all mad.