2011-08-26 11:58:15Political Compass
Tom Curtis

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As I have just posted a (probably short lived)  post on the political compass, I thought it might be interesting to introduce it here.  I am not doing so to introduce a political debate, but rather to get some sort of idea of the range of political opinions among SkS contributors.  IMO it is an interesting excercise to take the test even if you do not intend to post the results here.  For those who are interested, the test can be found here:

http://politicalcompass.org/test

 

A guide to interpreting results can be found here:

 

http://politicalcompass.org/analysis2

 

Below is an independant ranking of major historical figures:

 

For what it is worth, my most recent ranking was Economic: -7.25; Social: -4.36

2011-08-26 12:20:55I'm a damn dirty commie
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
dana1981@yahoo...
69.230.106.125

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

Dana compass

2011-08-26 12:40:02OMG, I'm a closet Leftist!
Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey
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97.83.150.37

2011-08-26 14:24:34
jyyh
Otto Lehikoinen
otanle@hotmail...
85.77.81.85

Looked like it was done for USAns, here's mine

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74

2011-08-26 14:31:42
Alex C

coultera@umich...
67.149.101.148

Economic Right/Left: -7.25

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85

I actually think I lie (lay?) further down on the Social aspect than that.  I take exception to the dichotomy of the options, I actually think there are ways of rationalizing out conditionals from many that aren't given in the questions themselves.  On that token too, I simply don't care enough about some of those issues to put down "strongly agree/disagree."  I guess I'm seeing them more from an "if you were to vote for this in a referendum..." stance, in which case it doesn't matter if you agree strongly or not - you'll vote the same; as opposed to an "I'll go protest about this or not" stance.

Yeah I know, whine whine whine, yes I would like some cheese with that ;-)

2011-08-26 14:36:14
BaerbelW

baerbel-for-350@email...
93.231.140.111

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

2011-08-26 14:57:10It's official, we're all a bunch of leftists
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
124.177.173.40

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

I'd prefer the form had a 5th neutral option but the result of being just to the left of Daniel sounds about right :-)

Hey, I'm right next to Gandhi :-)

2011-08-26 16:27:01
perseus

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188.220.205.42

I have taken this before and obtained more or less the same score.  It seems I am on par with Nelson Mandela

Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

 

2011-08-26 20:00:06
MarkR
Mark Richardson
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192.171.166.133

http://politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.50&soc=-3.49

 

Turns out we're all a bunch of soppy leftists just like the pro-fascist Daily Mail has been saying all along. The compass tends to bias to the left I think?

2011-08-26 20:01:31
nealjking

nealjking@gmail...
84.151.44.227

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

2011-08-26 20:38:05
Rob Painting
Rob
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118.92.47.139

Economic Left/Right: -7.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21

2011-08-26 20:42:48
Rob Painting
Rob
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118.92.47.139

It's pretty cool that Stalin, Hitler, Thatcher and Ghandi took the test too!

2011-08-26 21:10:21We're all pretty much a bunch of Socialist Libertarians - See Chomsky
grypo

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108.34.130.66

2011-08-27 01:04:12
Dikran Marsupial
Gavin Cawley
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139.222.14.107

Dikran Marsupial the communist!

If the questions had a "neither agree nor disagree" I suspect I would be closer to (0,0) which is probably a more accurate representation of my actual views (at heart I am a fundamentalist extremist moderate)

2011-08-27 01:39:35
Alex C

coultera@umich...
67.149.101.148

I recall previous discussion dealing with the SkS team page, and how the map and bios would be able to show that we are a diverse group of people that have different social and political views and backgrounds - if this is a fair sample, apparently, as grypo said, most of us are in the same general quadrant.

I just think that's interesting.

I do know from my own experience at Y!A, and Dana can probably vouch for me, that there are some AGW proponents that have admitted to being conservative, either strictly or at least socially.  Perhaps two of the most knowledgable users that are among this group.  A recent poll asked there actually reveals as much.

Again, just interesting.

2011-08-27 04:18:19
Andy S

skucea@telus...
66.183.179.249

It seems that I'm closest here to being a Libertarian. I'm still something of leftie, despite all those years in business.

 

2011-08-27 04:39:59
perseus

owlsmoor@googlemail...
188.220.205.42

I have posted this elsewhere in groups which are far more diverse than we are, and nearly all of them end in the bottom left quadrant. Perhaps the questions and the weightings are designed that way, to make a political point. 

A more important question is whether all politicians would really answer the questions in a manner to end up in the top right quadrant, I doubt it, but they might act that way.  I still think they are at odds with the electorates they claim to represent.

2011-08-27 05:28:59
Paul D

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82.18.130.183

It's like those crappy psychometric tests where you disgagree with the question but are forced to answer no matter what.

I disagree with the very first question (economic globalisation being inevitable) so in theory none of the answers for that question represent my opinion. I stopped there.

2011-08-27 07:00:48
Rob Painting
Rob
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118.92.49.156

The numpties in NZ have really jumped onboard that 'psychometric testing' bandwagon. The Emperor's New Clothes yet again.

2011-08-27 07:00:52
Andy S

skucea@telus...
66.183.179.249

It's perhaps not surprising that the political leaders are authoritarians. After all, why fight for authority if you don't want to use it? The leaders in the green quadrant (is that color accidental?) Mandela, Gandhi, the Dalai Lama are all leaders of liberation movements rather than career politiciansm businessmen or soldiers.

It's a pity we don't have any of the purple people here, Generally, I have found engaing with them to be interesting.

What's odd is that "skeptics" often accuse us "alarmists" of being in the red quadrant, whereas the "alarmists" often think of the deniers occupying the bottom right corner, where extreme laissez-faire wishful thinking really dominates.

There's probably another important factor. I'm clearly something of an anti-authoritarian but I have no children. I wouldn't be surprised if prolonged experience of being responsible for children pushed people in the authoritarian direction.

2011-08-27 08:19:10
nealjking

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84.151.44.227

Andy,

I have a (now grown-up) kid, but I'm not authoritarian.

However, it was probably helpful that he was bright and rational, so I could get him to do what was necessary by explaining consequences, nearly all the time.

2011-08-27 09:13:17
Tom Curtis

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112.213.174.72

Paul D, the first question is "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."  I'm uncertain as to how you could disagree with the antecedent of a conditional.  I do agree with other comments that the test would be better with a fifth, neutral option.

2011-08-27 09:15:23
adelady

amgnificent@gmail...
124.171.85.132

Yet another green quadrant.   -7.62 / -4.63

Oh well.

2011-08-27 09:49:04
Tom Curtis

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112.213.174.72

perseus, I just took the test answering in the manner of a putative Allen Jones groupy (Allen Jones being one of the most popular shock jocks in Australia).  The result, Economic: 9.25; Social: 7.64.  That suggests that if the test it biased, it is biased subtely by the wording of the questions rather by forcing a restricted range of outcomes.

 

For what it is worth, when I first encountered the test it was on a political forum. and the right wingers who took the test fell into three groups, the largest (about half) in the upper blue corner, another third fell equally right (around 7 - 9) but on the line between the blue and purple quadrants, with the remainder grouping as true liberteraians in the lower right corner.  The left wingers formed an eliptical cloud of positions from just right of center down to about -8, -5

 

I suspect we are showing a bias because we are a group self selected on the basis of being in favour of government regulation to deal with climate change. 

2011-08-27 10:05:16
nealjking

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Let's not forget the old chestnut, "Reality reveals a left-wing bias."

2011-08-27 16:11:23What would be an interesting experiment...
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
124.177.173.40
... Would be to have SkS readers take the test then correlate scores to whether they've been categorized skeptic or warmist. That experiment would never happen but I like to imagine these kinds of experiments.
2011-08-27 17:06:49Off Topic
jyyh
Otto Lehikoinen
otanle@hotmail...
85.76.17.238

In nature predators are always fewer in numbers, unless there is massive die offs of their prey.

2011-08-27 18:32:27
Paul D

chillcast@googlemail...
82.18.130.183

Tom I know it says 'if', but in order to answer you have to assume it is inevitable and then give an answer for that scenario.

It basically goes against the grain which implies the question is wrong in the first place. When answering question I want to be able to give an answer that I am happy with.

2011-08-28 19:08:53
perseus

owlsmoor@googlemail...
188.220.205.42

Perhaps that political compass is outdated and the more important axis is one of consumption vs sustainability? 

All mainstream political parties have simply attempted to generate economic growth through material consumption, and that's all we ever hear then talk about, the need to return to growth etc.  However, some economists have realised this is neither necessary or desirable for a balanced happy society.  Only the Greens seem to support this view.

I also doubt if one can be a true right wing libertarian without restricting basic rights to others in society. For example the mal-distribution of wealth always seems to result in restricted opportunities in life and unequal legal representation.  The reason these people don't like government is because it moderates the laissez-faire approach through taxation and legislation. These methods are barriers to all the wealth ending up in the hands of a few.  I therefore believe libertarian claims for greater freedom are often selfishly motivated and deliberately deceptive.

2011-08-28 20:10:30
nealjking

nealjking@gmail...
84.151.53.248

perseus,

The focus for libertarians is the individual, not the group.

2011-08-29 00:10:00
perseus

owlsmoor@googlemail...
188.220.205.42

I don't think that means abandoning the group altogether, but greater power for the individual through more decentralised means of democracy.  That is why the Greens are often associated with libertarianism.

Accordingly, libertarian socialists believe that "the exercise of power in any institutionalized form—whether economic, political, religious, or sexual—brutalizes both the wielder of power and the one over whom it is exercised".[10] Libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralised means of direct democracy such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions and workers' councils.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

2011-08-29 08:25:14The Criticisms of the Skeptics are right - SkSers are obviously all pinko/liberals
Glenn Tamblyn

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58.165.62.203

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72