2011-07-07 20:46:17News International and Murdoch in UK
Paul D

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This is just a general discussion subject, nothing to do with SkS activities although it will be of interest to some...
It is becoming a huge story in the UK. Don't know how this will impact Murdochs world wide interests??

Two aspects:

1. Phone hacking

Major advertisers are withdrawing adverts from News of the World and there are questions about other Murdoch interests such as The Sun and Times.

2. Murdochs takeover of Sky TV

Latest news (on BBC 24 news, can't find other references to this yet) is that 100,000 letters in opposition to the takeover have been received by the government. Plus of course the phone hacking issue is clouding the whole procedure.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14059572

2011-07-07 20:54:11
Paul D

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The 100,000 figure comes from Robert Prestons blog:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14064430

The 100,000 submissions all came within one week. Interestingly Avaaz the organisers does a lot of green/climate change campaigning are behind it.

http://avaaz.org/en/murdoch_messages_2/?slideshow

2011-07-07 23:11:55
Anne-Marie Blackburn
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I think the alleged phone hacking of relatives of people who died in action might cost them a lot - not mentioning the relatives of murder victims whose phones were also hacked. I don't know how much it'll dent Murdoch's empire, but as a Liverpool supporter, I hope it takes a serious hit. I doubt it'll happen though. From what I understand, this whole sorry affair cannot be used to stop Murdoch from taking full control of BSkyB, but there will be some delay.

2011-07-08 01:24:08
Albatross
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Bloody disgusting!  I hope this is fatal for Murdoch's empire.

2011-07-08 01:49:30
Anne-Marie Blackburn
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News Of The World has been axed. Now for the rest of Murdoch's empire.

2011-07-08 02:11:28
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Well, the next major domino should be Rebekah Brooks, who was editor of NoTW at that time, and is now #2 (after Murdoch) of News International. There's pressure for her to resign, but she's resisting. My take: She either says she's immoral or ignorant of what was going on right under her nose. Tough.

The question is whether the gangrene can be stopped by chopping off an arm. Reluctantly, I think it can be; although the longer Brooks hangs on, the harder it gets. Too bad, it would only be too sweet if their hacking into the phone accounts of murder victims were to lead to the shut-down of Fox News.

2011-07-08 02:51:23
perseus

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I signed the petition yesterday, however perhaps it was the advertisers which did it, money speaks. Shame it wasn't Fox news though

This is highly embarrasing for the UK Government who regularily consult Murdoch about government policy. 

A previous News of the World editor Andy Coulson became Director of Communications of the Conservative party for a time before resigning due to pressure about hacking allegations!

2011-07-08 03:35:46
Paul D

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There are opinions that NoW will be revived as The Sun on Sunday.

We'll have to see.

It's possible that the Murdochs are getting rid of the name as a sacrifice to get their hands on Sky.

2011-07-08 04:45:30
John Mason

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If they think axing the NOTW will quieten things down, I'm afraid they have underestimated the British public. There seems very widespread anger against the whole NI machine right now. In doing what they did, they pushed them one step too far. That's all it takes.

How one tackles Fox News is another, huuuge, problem!

Cheers - John

2011-07-08 05:21:40
dana1981
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Speaking of Fox News - sorry to go off topic here, but this crap is bugging me.

In the US we're trying to get a new federal budget, preferably before we pass the 'debt ceiling' which would supposedly be economically catastrophic.  Both parties have agreed that the next budget needs major spending cuts, despite the fact that we still have major unemployment problems.  The Democrats would also like to reduce the deficit through tax increases, but Republicans have said any tax increase is 'off the table'.  However, the Democrats have offered trillions of dollars in spending cuts in return for a couple hundred million dollars in tax increases, and a 3-to-1 ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases overall.  David Brooks calls this compromise "the mother of all no-brainers" for Republicans.

The Republicans came back and said they'll agree to something like that, but the tax increases have to be revenue neutral - if closing tax loopholes increases tax revenue, it must be offset with tax cuts elsewhere (which basically defeats the entire purpose, which is to reduce the deficit by raising revenue).

The Fox News headline on this story, in which Republicans might agree to the mother of all no brainer compromises where they get 3 times more spending cuts than revenue increases, and any tax modifications are revenue neutral, is Republicans Caving on Debt Talks.

That's right, any compromise whatsoever, even one grossly in their favor, is attacked by Fox News as "caving".  It's hard to comprehend why Republicans are getting such a great deal to begin with, since they only control half of one branch of government.  Democrats are in the majority, and basically caving to every Republican demand.  And Fox News is attacking them for every miniscule compromise they make.

What bugs me the most is that when you're in a recession you're supposed to increase spending!  If we had just cut spending like the Republicans want, we'd be in a Depression, not a Recession.  Yesterday House Speaker Boehner said the economic stimulus had killed jobs, which is just f*cking retarded.  The Republican Party is maddeningly stupid and destructive right now, and Democrats are so spineless that despite being in the minority, the destructive Repubs get almost everything they want.  And then while they're getting almost everything they want, Fox News attacks them for making some tiny compromise!  Ugh!!

And Republicans completely control the narrative.  None of the Democrats are stepping up and saying "hey, cutting spending kills jobs".  Meanwhile Republicans are basically saying that cutting spending will fix our unemployment problems, which is completely backwards, and still nobody calls them on it.  It's maddening.

Also nobody is pointing out that most of the deficit problem to begin with is due to Bush cutting taxes, increasing spending, and starting unjustified wars.  Not to mention reducing government oversight which led to the financial crash to begin with.  The USA is in a death spiral, and Fox News is at the center of it, along with Democrats being too spineless to call them on their lies.

2011-07-08 05:22:45
nealjking

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I wonder if it will cost them the BSkyB deal. I hope so.

But unless they can trace it back to Murdoch himself, I don't see how it affect Fox News. Unless they are stupid enough to defend NoTW's actions. But why would they, Murdoch himself has already abjured them?

No, I think Faux News is safe enough.

2011-07-08 18:03:41
perseus

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Problem is that most of the present staff at the paper are not to blame, they are the sacrificial lambs for the bosses decisions and pressure.

The UK Conservative Party will be damaged by this anyway. Andy Coulson former Director of Communications of the Conservative party and former editor of the paper is due to be arrested today.  David Cameron was chummy with both previous editors of the paper, Coulson and Rebekah Brooks, as well as Murdoch. 

Brooks is now CEO of News International and is not resigning, despite the fact that she must have approved of the taps (or been incredibly out of touch).  Difficult to prove though. 

 

 

2011-07-08 19:41:25
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Dana, Krugman had a really great OpEd on the debt limit talks that's well worth reading.

He basically echoes what you're saying and even goes so far as to compare the republicans' "solution" to the economy as being how Hoover responded to the initial crisis after the 1929 crash.

Krugman says there are essentially no economists consulting the president on this issue.  My sense is the republicans are going to do everything they can to collapse the government, and the world economy along with it, in the name of some silly Rand inspired miscalculations on socio-economics.

It's absolutely nuts.

2011-07-09 00:36:57If we can stop him in Australia, maybe we can stop Fox News
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Australia Greens call for inquiry into Murdoch media

Media baron Rupert Murdoch (L) with his sons Lachlan (C) and James attend a News Corp annual general meeting in Adelaide - 9 October 2002 Rupert Murdoch has extensive media holdings in Australia

The leader of Australia's Green party has called on the government to investigate Rupert Murdoch's extensive media holdings in Australia.

Party leader Bob Brown, a senator, urged the inquiry following fresh revelations in the UK over the News of the World phone-hacking scandal.

The Murdoch-owned paper is accused of hacking into the phones of crime victims, celebrities and politicians.

Mr Brown said the potential for similar activity in Australia should be probed.

'Prudent'

Prime Minister Julia Gillard relies on the Greens to keep her minority Labor government in power.

Speaking in the Senate on Thursday, Bob Brown called on Communications Minister Stephen Conroy ''to investigate the direct or indirect ramifications to Australia of the criminal matters affecting the United Kingdom operations of News International''.

News International runs Mr Murdoch's UK newspapers, including the News of the World, The Sun, The Times and The Sunday Times.

On Thursday, News International shut down the News of the World following a spate of fresh revelations.

Speaking later to Reuters news agency, Mr Brown said: "We have the most Murdoch media ownership of any country in the world with eight of the 12 metropolitan dailies owned by the Murdoch empire.

"I think that it's just prudent to take a raincheck at this stage, because the events unfolding in London are so serious, and it would be irresponsible for us not to look at the potential for similar operations to have occurred in Australia," he said.

Rupert Murdoch was born in Australia and founded his international media empire there.

His interests include The Australian, The Daily Telegraph and a 30% stake in Sky News Australia.

Sky is bidding to run a government-funded international TV service currently operated by ABC.

Earlier this week, the government extended the deadline for the contract to be awarded.

2011-07-09 01:45:07
dana1981
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Go Aussie Greens!

Rob - yeah, I've been reading Krugman a lot to try and keep my sanity.  It really does seem like the Republicans have been trying to completely screw up our country for years so they can say "see, government doesn't work!" and then shrink it down to the size they can 'drown in a bathtub'.  Seems like that's been their strategy since Reagan, but now Obama is helping them do it.  It's so disillusioning.  I voted for Obama seriously thinking he'd be one of the best presidents in US history, but he's been a massive disappointment.  He's still determined to be 'the compromiser' even though Republicans have no interest whatsoever in compromising.  When you try to compromise with a group that won't compromise, you just end up giving them everything they want. 

Obama is now further to the right than Republicans in the 1990s.  He might as well be President Bob Dole.  But of course Fox News and Republicans still depict him as a socialist/communist anyway.  And the Democrats don't fight back, they just continue to cave in and let Republicans do more and more damage so they can make more and more cuts of government programs, doing more damage, justifying more cuts, etc.  It's so frustrating.

2011-07-09 01:57:39
Paul D

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The Australian/Andrew Bolt is often the main topic at Deltoid.

2011-07-09 12:10:42
Rob Honeycutt

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Dana...  My one hope is that Obama is just playing his cards close, so close that most of the Democratic party doesn't get it.  He's managed to pull a couple of fast ones on the Republicans so far.  If he could actually manage to close a bunch of corporate tax loopholes that would be pretty major.  

I'm mentally preparing myself for the Republicans to take over the White House and both houses of Congress in 2012 and plunge the economy into a full out depression.  

2011-07-09 12:15:45
Rob Painting
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Repugnantcans: social welfare=bad, corporate welfare=good. Okay got it. 

2011-07-10 03:37:27
dana1981
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I hope your hope is right Rob, but I've increasingly been getting the feeling that Obama (and most of the rest of the Dems, to be fair) is just incompetent.  They let Republicans frame the narrative and then try to appear as "compromisers".  As a result, the minority party gets almost everything they want.   And what they want is to pander to the super rich and cripple the government.

2011-07-11 17:24:17
Paul D

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Looks like the Murdoch takeover of Sky will be delayed until the phone hacking investigation is finished.

2011-07-12 03:38:20
Paul D

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The Sun and The Sunday Times have possibly been implicated in the Murdoch Wapping Gate scandal. Also the bid for Sky has been withdrawn and referred to the Competition Commission:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14112097

Added:

Seems like The Guardian have again been doing the ground work:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/

2011-07-12 03:58:54I suspect that...
John Hartz
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Murdoch's crew also hijacked the "climategate" e-mails.

2011-07-12 04:03:52Poetic Justice
John Hartz
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What transpired within Murdoch's empire should become known as "Murdoch-gate."

Does anyone happen to know if Murdoch and Nixon were buddies? They both seem to have been cut from the same cloth.

   

2011-07-12 04:21:46
Paul D

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Around the world, the most amusing comment is from The Australian:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14109531

2011-07-13 05:14:48
John Mason

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This is a good one, posted to a Guardian thread on the NI/hacking issues:

 

"What about the eco freaks who invent a new religion called ecology,based on their prejudices and a jobs for the boys industry,these people who would have been communists 50 years ago,trying to scare the masses with their doomsday cult,every story they put out is a lie or a distortion.Give me the Daily Sport anytime over them."

 

Kinda sums it up LOL! That old but excellent Hawkwind track comes to mind: "it's just the Spirit of the Age"...

 

Cheers - John

2011-07-13 15:52:23
John Mason

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Badger, re - CRU emails, they (the operatives) would have had no trouble doing so given their other accomplishments: however in the UK at least the Murdoch press tends to leave climate change denialism to the Daily Express, Daily Mail and the Telegraph's more outspoken columnists. However, we don't know who else may have availed themselves of such services. I would not be surprised to see a connection come to light at some point, but it may not be the one you suggest i.e. not at the behest of NI.

It is interesting to note that certain known denialist trolls (e.g. Cornelius Lysergic, Printerink etc)on the Guardian have popped up in the NI/NOTW hacking discussion threads, attempting to defend the organisations or divert attention from the real story. However, this could be just down to their mindsets rather than suggesting any actual connection; either way, it has been noted.

Cheers - John

2011-07-13 17:22:04
Paul D

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It looks like The Sun and Times alleged crimes are probably a fantasy of Gordon Browns. Who knows.

I agree with John Mason. The Murdoch press in the UK tend not to be the top villains when it comes to climate change skepticism or denial.

The Daily Mail is a far more virulent source of misleading information along with the Express.

2011-07-13 19:38:26
Paul D

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All political parties up for Murdoch to drop the takeover of Sky. Not often that happens:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14131555

2011-07-13 19:44:16
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Paul,

I think you mean BSkyB, not Sky.

Murdoch had offered to SELL Sky, to pave the way towards his proposed purchase of BSkyB, by reducing the impact on competition.

2011-07-13 20:01:01
Paul D

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I know what I mean Neal.

In the UK everyone calls it Sky, all their marketing litererature refers to Sky, they are effectively the same thing as BSkyB.

You are thinking of Sky News which Murdoch has offered to separate from Sky. Murdoch owns 39% of Sky(BSkyB), he wants the rest. That is what the fuss is about.

2011-07-14 01:03:30
Albatross
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Hi John M,

"I would not be surprised to see a connection come to light at some point, but it may not be the one you suggest i.e. not at the behest of NI."

I'm not clear on what you are suggesting...perhaps that there is a link between NOTW and the hacked emails from CRU>  If so, you know the same thought crosses my mind and I had signed on this morning to share that hypothesis, full knowing that it might be considered by some to be "out there".

2011-07-15 20:59:16
nealjking

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- Rebekah Brooks has resigned; but she will be testifying to Parliament.

- Murdoch & Murdoch jr. will also be testifying to Parliament.

- This is about 3 news cycles too late: the gangrene will not stop at NoTW.

2011-07-15 21:29:26
Rob Painting
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I hope that evil bastard Murdoch's empire collapses around him. Maybe there is a God afterall? 

2011-07-15 23:31:16
nealjking

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Right now, it looks like he is maneuvering to get rid of his UK papers.

It will get interesting if the US DoJ investigation of claims that his reporters tried to hack the cellphones of 9/11 victims finds out anything. It could threaten the US papers, and by association, Faux News - who have stayed away from this "news" so far (I am told - I don't have a TV or watch FN).

2011-07-16 18:11:36
perseus

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Rob, looks like your dream may be coming true, after reading this report and his recent grovelling, but who will replace him to fill the void for anti scientific pro business propaganda?

Rupert Murdoch’s control over his influential Fox TV channel was under threat last night as it was reported he could lose control over key media organisations if found guilty of breeching tough American anti-bribery laws.

Murdoch’s News Corporation business has interests in some of America’s biggest cable channels including National Geographic, FX and Fox as well as BSkyB in the UK.

In the States, under federal law, holders of television and radio stations licences have to undergo character tests to show they are fit and proper to be media owners.

Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article-2015247/Rupert-Murdoch-faces-losing-control-Fox-investors-lose-confidence-amid-U-S-bribery-probe-threat.html#ixzz1SFm40g6A

2011-07-17 23:19:02
Paul D

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Just saw BBC News 24 - Rachel Brooks has been arrested now!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14178051

Added: That should have been Rebekah Brooks.

2011-07-17 23:45:45
Rob Painting
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Crikey, those pommy politicians/police/media are as crooked as staples aren't they? Just reading through what the senior Met Police have been up to, whoa! What gets me is the bald-faced audacity to lie and claim they've done no wrong. Next stop Washington DC?

2011-07-18 00:58:41
nealjking

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from a newsfeed on the story:

 

Opinion She is understood to have urged Mr Cameron to scrap plans to give the job to a senior BBC journalist. Mr Cameron was told it should go to someone who was ‘acceptable’ to News International.

The disclosure increases pressure on Mr Cameron over his close links to Mrs Brooks and the Murdoch empire.

 

NI "vetoed" a staff-selection for the PM?

It should be someone "acceptable to NI"?

This is looking worse and worse for Cameron.

2011-07-18 02:27:19
Paul D

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To be honest, I'm not sure bringing Camerion down will help much as far as getting things done on climate change in the UK.

There are those on the right of the Tory party who would love to see him go along with many environmental policies. If he was replaced by someone they wanted (and the Daily Mail) then things would be worse.

2011-07-18 02:47:23
nealjking

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If we could get rid of Fox News in exchange for Cameron, that would be a good deal.

Come now, where is the Devil when you need a fair exchange? (;-)

2011-07-18 08:57:02
perseus

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Falling like ninepins

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson has resigned following the phone hacking scandal. Britain's most senior police officer has faced criticism for hiring former News of the World executive Neil Wallis - who was questioned by police investigating hacking - as an adviser

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14180043

If he has to go for hiring NOTW execs why not Cameron?

2011-07-18 18:55:40
Paul D

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I don't know why people would want to get rid of Cameron. I certainly wouldn't want Labour back in for quite a few years and if Cameron was replaced, it is likely that a more traditional Tory would replace him.
My preference would be to dump all 3 mainstream political parties, none of them really understand that tough green policy decisions need to be made that will be hard on the economy and jobs.

2011-07-18 18:59:55
nealjking

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It's like chess: I would rather have Fox gone, at almost any price.

2011-07-18 22:30:18
perseus

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Can our own politicians also be tough on the environment?


by Guest  July 12, 2011 at 1:42 pm  contribution by @NTDMSK

At the time of the News of the World phone hacking scandal, politicians are learning the strengths of unashamedly standing up for what’s right. Now, they need to extend this to following the example of Australia.

The Australian carbon tax scheme will see companies pay the equivalent of £15 per tonne of emissions and is predicted to take 45m cars off the road by 2030.........

2011-07-18 22:45:27
nealjking

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But this Australian advance is still under threat.

2011-07-19 00:37:45Perspective from another NewsCorp publication: The Wall Street Journal
nealjking

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Interestingly self-serving editorial from the WSJ.
2011-07-19 05:23:38
perseus

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And when you thought it couldn't get any sinister.  This is one whistleblower who won't be giving any more evidence. I guess it will keep the conspiracy theorists occupied. 

A former News of the World journalist who made phone-hacking allegations against the paper has been found dead

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14194623

2011-07-19 05:39:10
Paul D

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Interestingly self-serving editorial from the WSJ.
I have to say that the BBC are milking it to the extreme. So there is probably some truth there.
But given the Murdochs have said publicly that they wanted the BBC to be curtailed or privatised, it is hardly surprising.


2011-07-19 18:30:27Finally, a climate connection!
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"08.50 Following yesterday's news that Sir Paul Stephenson, John Yates, Andy Hayman and Peter Clarke have all been referred to the IPCC, this surprising report on Twitter from ITV's Keir Simmons:"

 

Oops, they mean the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Never mind.

2011-07-20 04:41:54
nealjking

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I watched the testimonies of the Murdochs & Brooks. I think they handled themselves reasonably well. Unless some new info turns up concerning illegal information gathering in the US, I think this whole event will be just a hiccup. The BSkyB deal may be back on the menu in a year.

I think there will be more digging into the corruption of the police.