2011-07-02 01:52:23On creating a SKS "Figerprints" matrix...
John Hartz
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I propose that SkS develop a "Fingerprints" matrix to store both news article headlines/links and photos.

The rows would be basic categories of climate change impacts such as: extreme weather, aninals. plants, insects, marine life, etc.

The columns would be the geographic places (countries, oceans, etc.) where the imapacts are occuring. 

All sorts of graphical displays could be developed to link to cells within the matrix.  

Does SkS have a GIS capablility?

2011-07-02 06:44:00
John Cook

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What does GIS stand for?
2011-07-02 06:57:25"GIS" means...
John Hartz
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Geographic Information System.

2011-07-02 09:12:04No we dont
John Cook

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This sounds like it requires a database where you input fingerprints alongside long and lat, right? Then output the info in such a way that it's graphically displayed by google maps or some other app.

This is very possible. I could very quickly and easily create a database of impacts where you enter impacts via admin then I output a feed. Then SkSers could enter impacts and build the resource. Doing photos might be more complicated but doable. But it would require someone working out the google maps side of things and giving me specs on the feed.

But first, perhaps we should finish devising the "SkS Road Map" and see if and how it would integrate into the overall picture before we invest lots of time and effort into this.

2011-07-02 10:07:52John Cook
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Yes, you have the basic concept of GIS down pat. Commercial GIS applications do, however, cost money to acqurie and require computer capacity.  

I concur with you about the need to develop the "SkS Roadmap" before taking on anything new -- particularly something of this magnitude.

2011-07-04 05:22:36
Anne-Marie Blackburn
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Badgersouth, do you know anything about the open source GIS software? I did GIS as part of my degree and whilst volunteering but only used commercial packages (Idrisi and Map Info). I've read that some of the open source software is very good but never got round to looking at it more closely.

2011-07-04 05:39:21
Paul D

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Google maps (and in the UK Ordinance Survey) use Javascript to overlay information using an API.
I guess you could use AJAX to interface between a database and the Google API ?

Alternatively someone somewhere has probably already done the work??
Such as an open source system.

So is this idea supposed to point to specific fingerprints that are definitely identified as being a result of global warming??
I think it would be important to create a 'network'. Can one fingerprint be linked to a number of others??

The reason I raise this is because skeptics have a tendency to single out an issue (fingerprint) and say that one thing could be a result of something other than AGW. If it was possible to link/associate them (maybe with hyperlinks, geographically) it will be difficult to do the isolation/cherry picking trick.

2011-07-04 05:44:35Anne-Marie
John Hartz
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No, I am not familar with the open source GIS software. Also, I have never personally done anything in GIS -- I did have an employe who became very proficient in using Map Info though.  

2011-07-04 05:47:22
Paul D

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Actually if using Google, might make more sense to use Google Earth (I think the maps target specific nations/continents):

http://earth.google.com/outreach/tutorial_importgis.html

2011-07-04 05:49:47Paul D
John Hartz
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The Union of Concerned Scientists seems to have beat us to the punch with its Climate Hot Map.

2011-07-04 05:51:03
Paul D

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I saw that a few days ago and forgot about it.

Looks like they use Google.

2011-07-04 05:54:02
Paul D

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Actually that Union of Concerned Scientists map isn't just fingerprints. The Morroco tag is about a dam that was built. Not exactly a climate issue.

Added: actually scrub that comment, it is about climate, but the satellite photo is confusing/wrong??

2011-07-04 10:29:58Comment
Robert Way

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I have GIS capabilities. I'm actually a GIS analyst so whatever needs to be done can be done by me. That's how we did the map of contributors.

2011-07-04 16:54:50
Paul D

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What the UoCS map doesn't do is link the tags based on climate change relationships. When you click on the Morocco tag it would be useful if there were links from that to other associated tags on a different part of the map, in the case of Morroco, other dam issues.