2011-05-13 23:08:53Selling T-Shirts
Sphaerica

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On the "Infographic" post, veryred just posted a great idea.  He suggested that he'd buy a shirt with that graphic on it.

I don't know how much work it would take to do that sort of thing, but there are a fair number of funny/informative T-shirts (mugs, mouse pads, whatever) that could be sold... not for the profit, but to get the message out there in front of people.

2011-05-14 03:11:45
Albatross
Julian Brimelow
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199.126.232.206

Neat idea Sphaerica...trick would be to squeeze a pertinent caption/header/title so people know what the graphic is saying.

2011-05-14 03:26:58
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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I like that idea.  I'd buy a shirt with the consensus graphic on it too.  And I'd buy one with the Lindzen vs. Hansen graphic :-)  The 10 indicators would make a good shirt too.

2011-05-14 03:35:17
Rob Honeycutt

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This could easily be done through either Cafe Press or Zazzle without any cost what-so-ever.  Just time creating the graphics.  It's something I think you can even add in to your website (the SkS website).

2011-05-14 03:36:26
Alex C

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Title ideas?

"The Scientific Consensus on Global Warming" (boring IMO)

"Consensus Isn't Conspiracy"

"Consensus of Scientists, from Consensus of Evidence"

"The Scientists have Spoken"

 

Or others.  I think that if we also do make shirts, they should include some reference to SkS, like

"Getting Skeptical About Global Warming Skepticism

www.skepticalscience.com"

2011-05-14 04:08:55
BaerbelW

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For some ideas you can take a look at what the folks at Rfalconcam (Rochester Peregrine Falcons - another group I'm involved with) have set up:

http://rfalconcam.com/rfc-main/store.php

One thing to check out should be the shop's international availability (which zazzle has, but some others might not)

2011-05-14 06:05:33Actually a good idea for several reasons
John Cook

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I'm a big fan of Randy Olsen's philosophy of experimenting with many different ways of communicating climate science and that it's as much art as science. So trying something like climate communication on merchandise may have a genuine tangible effect. We need creative ideas like rapping scientists or comedy videos. The scientific consensus on a Tshirt is so obvious in hindsight, I don't know why we didn't think of it before.

And if it makes a few dollars, it will help support SkS - my current financial situation is not sustainable as SkS takes up all my time with very little in the way of paypall support - this could alleviate that problem to some degree.

And this is very quick and easy to set up. I might do a quick experiment with CafePress, see if the idea works.

Lastly, just noting the comment here for future reference:

http://skepticalscience.com/news.php?p=3&t=167&&n=734#51058

2011-05-14 06:19:38
Paul D

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Erm Cafepress have an I Love CO2 t shirt:

http://www.cafepress.co.uk/+white_tshirt,509649779

Cafepress say it is a 'cute eco' design.

Which is for the I love CO2 campaign:

http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/p/about-us.html

2011-05-14 06:22:53
Paul D

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Although Cafepress do seem to do organic cotton t shirts, which is what I would recomend if you were to go ahead with the idea. Does increase the price though.

http://www.cafepress.co.uk/+eco+t-shirts

2011-05-14 07:03:13Bad shirts on cafepress
John Cook

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Anyone can start a shop on Cafepress so having ilovecarbondioxide.com on there doesn't exclude SkS being there. I've quickly thrown up a design onto the site:

http://www.cafepress.com/SkepticalScience

I won't have time to launch this before the weekend so it will have to wait till late next week (phew, launching Lindzen Illusions, 2 book launches, Ville's animation and then possibly a Cafepress shop all in one week? Mad!!)

In the meantime, feedback?

2011-05-14 07:04:29
nealjking

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Couldn't arrange for the SkS t-shirts to get "accidentally" sent to the "I love CO2" people, could you?

2011-05-14 07:15:57
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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64.129.227.4

Hehe neal :-)

Looks good John.  I'd definitely suggest adding an SkS URL, maybe below the graphic.  Would be nice to somehow indicate the grey are unsure and the red think not.

Like I said earlier, it would be nice to offer a couple other graphics too, like the 10 indicators of a warming world, and Hansen vs. Lindzen, perhaps (though I'm a bit biased on that last one :-).

2011-05-14 07:24:02
nealjking

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Sorry to rain on the parade, but I think this design looks boring: Too much of it looks all alike, the only visual relief is in the tiny lower right-hand side. Most of the time, that will not be seen.

2011-05-14 07:35:50
Sphaerica

Bob@Lacatena...
76.28.5.93

Looks good, John.

I'd also point out that there are any number of comics, other graphics (like that warming-world-in-an-hourglass from about a month ago), and some funny sayings that could be used.  I think a thread dedicated to ideas might help.

My model would be thinkgeek.com (they have some funny stuff, usually in 5 words or less, like "2+2=5 for very large values of 2").

For clever humor, perhaps we could tap the authors of trendy comics (like xkcd, or thisisindexed.com)... in their case, they may want some or all of the profits, but...

xkcd comic 1

 

 

 

2011-05-14 07:42:57
Sphaerica

Bob@Lacatena...
76.28.5.93

One more...

2011-05-14 07:53:54
Albatross
Julian Brimelow
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Looks good.  BUT, I really do not like it saying "....climate experts think we're causing global warming".

We need a much better adjective (?) there, 'think' has way too many negative connotations attached to it (and is unscientific), as does 'believe'.

How about "...climate experts agree we're causing global warming".

2011-05-14 08:48:06Updated
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
124.187.6.188

Good feedback - added URL and Alby, much better wording. Will update the infographic to have "agree".

Neal, this is just a rush job, throwing it online to test drive Cafepress. Right now, I'm coming up empty on more creative ways to display this info. Will get Wendy to have a look at it later but probably after I get back from Sydney. If anyone has any thoughts on how to display the info in a more eye-catching way, I'm all ears.

2011-05-14 08:56:16
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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64.129.227.4

Personally I like the look of it.  I think it's eye-catching.

2011-05-14 09:17:41
Albatross
Julian Brimelow
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199.126.232.206

John,

You could have a T-shirt that uses some graphics from your hi-rez library (not sure what is all in that yet).

I hope that this can bring in some money for you John!

2011-05-14 12:36:15
Glenn Tamblyn

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In that case how about

The Green house effect is just a theory sucker
Yeah so is gravity, float away mother f**ker!

2011-05-14 14:35:11T-shirt designs
James Wight

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This is a great idea. A T-shirt can be a conversation-starter.

On the consensus T-shirt, a 10x10 square would be more symmetrical.

Glenn, a problem with your suggestion is if people don’t read the whole T-shirt they’ll think it’s a denialist slogan.

Not sure about the Hansen vs Lindzen idea – may be a bit obscure for a T-shirt. Another idea is a T-shirt comparing models to observations – maybe the Arctic sea ice graph?

2011-05-15 08:50:08
Tom Curtis

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112.213.201.93

John, how about one based on the cover of your book?  A possible caption could be:

 

Head in ths sand is not an effective climate policy!

2011-05-15 10:01:48
Albatross
Julian Brimelow
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Duh, and Tom Curtis hits the jackpot.  Why did I not think of that.  Great idea Tom!

2011-05-15 12:04:34
Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey
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The rule of thumb in print (billboard) advertising is 7:

7 words or less, because the average attention span is far less than 7 seconds.

 

If you can't hook them with a concise, clear, impactful message in less than 7 seconds, that person is lost.

 

K.I.S.S.

2011-05-15 17:54:02
Paul D

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82.18.130.183

Are there any copyright issues to check??
If you are selling stuff, generally people take more notice of copyright (because of the money).

The actual graphic works well on those products. Might be a good idea to order samples to check the resolution and clarity are OK??

2011-05-15 18:00:35
Paul D

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BTW I prefer the darker green text. You are drawn in to read the message.

2011-05-15 18:47:45
MarkR
Mark Richardson
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The cherry tree?

 

'Is this blue or red?

skepticalscience.com'

2011-05-15 21:10:07
MarkR
Mark Richardson
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134.225.187.197

The Harries, 2001 radiation difference graph with a big arrow pointing at CO2.

 

'Science... it works, bitches!'

 

Inspired by xkcd.

2011-05-15 22:25:06Copyright issues
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
60.242.192.74
No issue with copyright, I created this graphic from scratch.

LOL to Mark's idea. Maybe a little potty mouth for SkS though :-)

2011-05-15 22:41:38Translated versions?
BaerbelW

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93.231.188.185

Could the design of the graphics be done in such a way, that it will be easy to replace any English texts with translated texts in case the paraphernalia is going to be made available in other countries?

2011-05-16 07:38:41Translated graphics
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
60.242.192.74
I create all these graphics in coreldraw., What if we take the approach we take with the Guide - email me the translated text, I'll generate the translated graphic and add it to CafePress. I could have them up in a flash - a single graphic would be much quicker than a 16 page text-dense booklet!
2011-05-16 13:02:06
Glenn Tamblyn

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124.180.235.38

"The Harries, 2001 radiation difference graph with a big arrow pointing at CO2."

 

How obout the OLR spectrum with the big CO2 absorption 'hole' coloured in, an arrow and the caption - "So Who Says There's No Greenhouse Effect?'

A bit crypyic but that makes it a conversation starter.

2011-05-18 04:38:01
nealjking

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I like the "fingerprints of AGW" image much better than the 97% one.

2011-05-19 03:02:23
citizenschallenge
Peter Miesler
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32.176.198.7

The AGW consensus is NOT formed by scientists.
The AGW consensus IS compelled by the evidence.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
One Directional Skepticism Equals Denial

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


Slightly OT, but an awesomely fun video:

I'm A Climate Scientist (HUNGRY BEAST)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiYZxOlCN10

2011-05-19 06:45:48
Rob Painting
Rob
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118.92.100.134

What about something obvious? The MSM generally don't want to mention the words 'global warming' or 'climate change', when reporting extreme weather so what about:

Global warming=more extreme floods, droughts and storms.  

Global warming = worse floods, droughts and storms.

Can you whip up a graphic John? I'd be interested in going down to my local printers and seeing if they could knock me off a few t-shirts. That way will I'll be raising awareness everywhere I go.

Now bear in mind I'm just thinking aloud here, but this Sks branded thing could be significant, there is after a big audience that visit some of the 'green' blogs like treehugger. The branded items, especially clothing, could raise awareness, and of course with your phone app, wearers of the clothing have a ready source of information at their disposal if someone starts questioning them about global warming. The clothing would have to be environmentally sensitive.  

Like I say, just thinking out loud.     

2011-05-24 13:19:31T-Shirt slogan
Sphaerica

Bob@Lacatena...
76.28.5.93

"There's nothing hotter than a climate scientist."

With maybe a stick figure drawing of a stereo-typical scientist with glasses, a black board full of equations, and a thermometer climbing into the 100s.

Of course, only climate scientists will by these, but John can at least make a few bucks of the likes of Hansen and Schmidt... maybe even Lindzen and Spencer!

[The back can say "There's nothing more frigid than a climate skeptic."]

2011-05-24 14:35:41
Albatross
Julian Brimelow
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John,

What about that amazing graphic that you featured a while ago-- was it from a graphic artist?  Would h/she be willing to share it with you, or get involved in this.  This is vague I know, but it was a fantastic graphic.

2011-05-24 14:53:15Do you mean the hourglass pic?
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
58.166.133.186

I doubt they'd share it - in fact, he probably drew it for some corporate ad who would then own the copyright.

Sorry I haven't moved this forward, lots of things going on at the moment and I'm still catching up with stuff piling up during the book launches. And getting Paul's peer-review visualisation is a much higher priority.

2011-05-24 23:11:02
Sphaerica

Bob@Lacatena...
76.28.5.93

Also...

"Climate scientists do it with models."

With a cartoon of a diminutive scientist flanked by two or four gorgeous super models.

It's not very enlightening, but it's still a conversation starter.

2011-05-25 00:19:01Okay, I just got it
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
58.166.133.186

Took a second reading before I got the double entendre re models. :-)

In my defence, it is past midnight and my brain is winding down...

2011-05-25 00:29:50
Paul D

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82.18.130.183

Erm, could have a perverse meaning as well. Maybe that's just my dirty mind.

2011-05-25 02:43:21
Rob Honeycutt

robhon@mac...
98.207.62.223

Sphaerica, Keep that one just words.  Don't add graphics.  It kills the flow of the pun to have literal images.

2011-05-26 10:54:23Quickly threw together this variation on the consensus graphic
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
58.166.133.186

Comments?

2011-05-26 12:15:14
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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69.230.97.203
I like that one a bit better.
2011-05-26 18:16:45
Glenn Tamblyn

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138.217.125.202

How about a take on one of the cartoons

 

"CLIMATE CHANGE"

"If it's a hoax we make a Better World FOR NOTHING!"

2011-05-26 18:42:24
Paul D

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82.18.130.183

Not sure (about Johns new design). From an education/learning point of view, people learn through different means, textual, visual, audio etc.

So by emphasising the text you are targeting those that assimilate information quicker through reading, at the expense of those that are more visual. I prefered the orignal design, with the dark green text at the top and the big lighter green graphic. The two were more balanced.

Also from a design POV I think the first idea is better, it is just more intriguing and less in your face.

2011-05-26 19:36:00
Rob Painting
Rob
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118.93.8.194

Interesting take Paul. I happen to agree with you.

2011-05-26 20:21:12Fundamental question
Glenn Tamblyn

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138.217.125.202

Basic question.

Is this about Tee-shirt/mug/poster on the wall, ideas for logo's etc. Who is your audience. Who are you talking too? Is this a promotion of the SkS version of the message about AGW?  Or is this about promoting the broad message of AGW itself?

No offence to the various contributors here - moi included. But Joe & Jane Average know diddly-squat about SkS. If we are moving into the domain of the 'general public', which is what a Tee-Shirt is, SkS does not exist in their orbit.

If a Tee-shirt is going to register with Joe & Jane, it has to be about very basic messages. Not SkS specific content.

2011-05-27 00:27:54Don't forget the KISS principle...
John Hartz
John Hartz
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I concur with Glenn's "fundamental question" post.

If the primary objective is to promote SkS, how about something as simple and straightforwrd as:

"Skeptical Science Rocks!"   

2011-05-27 08:11:55This is about promoting the general message of AGW
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
58.166.133.186
Someone said they'd like the 97% graphic on a shirt and I'm quite taken with the idea of people walking around with the consensus on their shirt or on a coffee mug. So the goal is to take simple, strong messages from our info graphics and put them on shirts/cups/etc to get the message out. Putting the SkS URL on there is an afterthought.
2011-05-27 08:31:18John Cook
John Hartz
John Hartz
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99.95.221.238

We can jawbone about this ad naseum. Go with your design and see what happens.