2011-02-20 15:32:38US Votes to "De-fund" IPCC -- Tea Party extremists win round one
Stephen Leahy

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 Don't know if Obama could veto the cut in funding but there is a lot of crowing amongst extremists in the US

And given the latest science on permafrost thaw - let's call them homicidal extremists

Permafrost Melt Soon Irreversible Without Major Fossil Fuel Cuts 

2011-02-20 18:04:03
citizenschallenge
Peter Miesler
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"round one" who's kidding whom?

~ ~ ~ by that, I mean

there is too much momentum going on to pretend this latest victory is "round one" for them Republican AGWHoaxers.

2011-02-20 18:42:00Budget
dana1981
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That's just the House budget proposal. They still have to reconcile with Dems in the Senate and White House. Shitty, but not a done deal.
2011-02-20 18:45:40
citizenschallenge
Peter Miesler
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ok, but oh so depressing.

so, Who within the Dems are fighting the good fight?

Where might pressure or reason have some influence?

2011-02-21 04:39:01
Stephen Leahy

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Even if it goes through the IPCC will survive without US funding - its only $2-3 million. I posted it to highlight the extremist anti-science views that are deaf and blind to reason, logic or even common sense like self-preservation. 
2011-02-21 05:49:53
Paul D

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Looking at the IPCC budget, it looks like it has been shrinking yearly since 2003.

http://www.ipcc.ch/meetings/session29/doc3.pdf

The US in 2007 provided about a 3rd of the annual funding.

It peaked in 2000-2001 at over 16 million (swiss Francs).

2011-02-21 09:54:49
Rob Honeycutt

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We're going to see a bunch of symbolic gestures like this the next two years.  We've already seen the same with the vote on repeal of the Healthcare bill.

This is the kind of stuff that will sink them in 2012. 

2011-02-21 10:23:42
John Hartz
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Many of the Republican/Tea Party/Libertarian faithful have been brainwashed by the Climate Denial Spin Machine to believe that climate change science is an integral component of a leftist-communist plot to impose world government on the US -- all financed by George Soros.
2011-02-21 10:37:01Rob Honeycutt
John Hartz
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I respectfully disagree with you that the elimination of the US contribution to the IPCC is merely a symbolic gesture on the part of the Republican-Tea Party-Libertarian contolled House of Representatives.  

The House-passed Continuing Resolution contains a goodly number of budget cuts to federal agencies that engage in climate science activities,

I'm not very sanguine that the Democratic contolled Senate and the Obama Administration will "go to the mat" on this particular set of cuts. I'm also not very sanguine about the prospects of Obama's re-election, or the election of a new Democartic controlled House in 2012. 

2011-02-21 11:25:12
Rob Honeycutt

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Badgersouth...  You may be right.  I get the sense we're going to be in for an extended budget impasse.  

Everything I've read about 2012 so far sounds like Obama is well positioned.  Bill Clinton himself has said this on a number of occasions.  When the right wing goes extreme the left picks up the middle.  That's how Bill did it.  I think that's what Obama's angling in on.

The only way for the Republicans to hold power during a presidential election year would be to moderate their position.  But they are headed the opposite direction.  ...I could be wrong, but I think it could be a massive rout.  

2011-02-21 15:36:09Rob Honeycutt
John Hartz
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I hope that your reading of the tea leaves turns out to be more accurate than mine,

2011-02-21 18:36:38
nealjking

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So far, I think Obama has the edge for being re-elected: there isn't a terribly plausible Republican alternative, and the Tea Partiers are not making it any easier for them. Probably his strongest threat is that some Democrats get fed up with the compromises that he will accept and decide to put forth a (doomed) challenge in the Democratic primary.

Regarding the balance in the Congress, it's early days, and the Republicans have just begun with a strong (?) attack on non-corporate values under the guise of addressing the budget issue. This seems to be a situation of the invincible force meeting the immovable object, and it's not clear to me if there will be a governmental shut-down and who will get the blame for it. Will the Tea Partiers come off as more like Don Quixote or just mean? How will the demonstration-counter-demonstration on union-bargaining rights in Wisconsin play out? I don't have any clear idea of in which direction and how far the Democratic/Repugnican balance will shift. For the sake of the planet, I hope that the Democrats win, and that they're finally ready to get up on their hind legs and do what needs to be done; but it may even take a few more disasters to mobilize people.

Winston Churchill once said, "The Americans always do the right thing - after having exhausted all other possibilities." Let's hope there are not too many other possibilities left!

2011-02-22 00:31:17nealjking
John Hartz
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You need to add the US Supreme Court decision re "Citizens United" into mix.
2011-02-22 00:36:01nealjking
John Hartz
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Although I like the Chuchill quote and greatly admire him, it took the black swan event of Pearl Harbor to mobilize American public opinion about declaring war on Japan and Germany.
2011-02-22 11:41:2610 years before America regains its senses
Stephen Leahy

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There was much talk in the backrooms of Cancun to simply leave America out of any international negotiations - kind of like with a sulky child: "you can play w us if you want but we're not waiting for you". started by the europeans i believe cause many believe it will be 8-10 years before sanity is restored.

Given how money has corrupted US politics -- Senators spend $20 million to get elected -- I tend to agree.