2011-02-13 08:52:44Meet The Denominator ?
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Peter Miesler
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 sorry guys, I get a little excitable sometimes ~ I'm half tempted to delete this, but that wouldn't be right either.

Meet The Denominator

Posted on 13 February 2011 by Rob Honeycutt

I just linked to this: http://www.skepticalscience.com/meet-the-denominator.html

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 A cartoon terminator in all his glorious outrageousness ?!? -

Come on, leave that fun to the folks equipped to have that fun

greenman3610, potholer54, and other internet favorites, let them use it to their favor, it will do nothing but detract from this particular special website!

Please. Skeptical Science was a step above that stuff.  Good old simple boring facts, more or less, but that was its glorious beauty and  value.

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I was going to post at that thread, but thought here I could rant freely, so I have. 

[just a little trimming]
2011-02-13 09:48:32What SkS is about
John Cook

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I would suggest Rob's post is exactly what SkS is about. Finding creative, interesting and eye catching ways to communicate the science. Business-as-usual science communication isn't going to cut it so we need to think hard about creative ways to reach the general public.
2011-02-13 10:05:51
Paul D

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I've obviously missed something whilst frying my brains at Politico.
2011-02-13 10:32:37whoa there
dana1981
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Whoa citizen, chill dude.  It's just a picture aimed at having a little fun and getting the point across to the public.
2011-02-13 10:40:33
Rob Painting
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I agree with John. If we rely only on "dry" scientific language then we may as well pack up and go home. We won't convince the casual readers. Those are the people we are trying to reach. No point in being blinkered in our approach.
2011-02-13 10:43:05
Rob Honeycutt

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Citizen...  In a way, I think you hit the nail on the head.  All I've done is apply a very simple concept to a popular denier myth.  The Terminator image seemed (at least to me) to express exactly what adding a denominator does.  This simple piece of math crushes their numbers into practically nothing.  It puts them into perspective.

I fail to see the point of going out of my way to make a piece boring.  It seems to me the whole point to try to find interesting ways to make science and math interesting to the broader reading public.

I highly suggest that you post your concerns in the open and see what others think.   

2011-02-13 10:49:00Rob Honeycutt
John Hartz
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I presume that there are no copyright and trademark issues about using the Terminator photo? 

2011-02-13 10:52:40
Rob Honeycutt

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Badgersouth...  I believe this falls under "fair use."  From wiki:  Examples of fair use include commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship.
2011-02-13 11:37:12
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Peter Miesler
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OK ok, that's why I kept it to this side.

still don't like it, but 'nuf said.

Actually Rob, I'll defer to you - I see no need to take my opinion any where beyond my rant.  I shared my two cents with the folks that matter.

2011-02-13 11:45:09
Rob Honeycutt

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Citizen...  Thanks.  What's nice here at SkS is that there is this internal review of posts before they public.  So, I think it was pretty well vetted before John hit the final "go live" button.  It might catch some off guard since we're not all here all the time on the author's forum.
2011-02-13 12:22:18
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Peter Miesler
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I should have been paying more attention, I'm all embarrassed now.  But, dang if it don't get under my skin, but than I shun Hollywood and TV and all that, so am a poor judge of the general public anyways.

2011-02-13 15:42:32
Rob Honeycutt

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Sure didn't take long for PopTech to show up.  I see why they call him PopTart.
2011-02-13 16:29:35Alert system needed!
John Hartz
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John Cook:

How about creating a system that would generate a "Review & Comment" e-mail alert to all authors whenever a draft article is posted? 

2011-02-13 16:29:59Poptech
John Cook

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He's always popping up whenever his name is mentioned - he must have a google alert set for on the hour :-)
2011-02-13 18:00:00linked
dana1981
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I might have drawn Poptech over here.  I linked Rob's article over in the comments at NoTricksZone where Poptech had been commenting.  Hey, at least we finally got some active commenting going on :-)
2011-02-14 00:41:20
perseus

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Ah no tricks zone, the German site in English supposedly.  I've crossed swords with them as well under another constellation! 1934 is the warmest year evidently (according to them).  They have offered a charity bet on whether this decade will be warmer than the last, however it relies on goodwill to pay up.

On another Denier site they just claim the 850,000 figure is a measure of how much money has been thrown at AGW and how desperate the scientific community are to defend themselves.  '850,000 means nothing if they are all paid to agree with one another!' 

Conspiracy theorists can always find an excuse.

2011-02-14 03:52:39
Rob Honeycutt

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perseus...  That charity bet was the upshot of a post I made there saying that I frequently try to bet deniers and they never put their money where their mouthes are.  I put up $5k and they've been able to match about 1/2 that between about 20 individuals.
2011-02-14 09:48:18
Rob Honeycutt

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Update... Turns out they actually have met my original $5k.  But in the meantime the warmist side has raised $14k and the coolist side is at $5400.
2011-02-14 12:51:34
Glenn Tamblyn

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Wow

Just looked at the public thread. You have to give PopTech some credit. He sure doesn't mind get swarmed. Probably that closed mind helps. If you don't have to waste brain power on listening, you have more available for talking and talking and talking....

2011-02-14 16:17:23
Rob Honeycutt

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Glenn...  PopTech thinks he's defending the integrity of his list when he does this.  On the contrary (IMO) he shoots himself in the foot every time he opens his mouth... er, keyboard.

Honestly, I'd love to know what makes a guy like that tick.