2011-02-03 03:35:15CO2 feedback factor may be to small
Paul D

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Noticed this report about a new paper in Science (Jeffrey Kiehl, NCAR):

http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/44990


Can't access the actual paper (pay wall), but some folk here probably can.
2011-02-03 03:51:57
MarkR
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If you want it emailing, just put up an address and one of us will send it over.

 

 

(please post a reply letting us know if you send it so Ville doesn't get smothered! :P )

2011-02-03 05:23:42
Paul D

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Can the email harvesting spiders see these pages??

Last time I put my email address on a web page unprotected, I got a lot of offers of viagra and requests for money etc.

I have an email address at the bottom of this linked page in a javascript shell, just click on the link at the bottom of the page:

http://warmcast.blogspot.com/

2011-02-03 06:18:43Video
John Hartz
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In addition to a written summary of Kiehl's paper, the Environmental Research webpage has a video of an interview with him.

Would it be kohser for John Cook to invite Kiehl to post a summary of his paper on SkS? 

2011-02-03 07:53:49
Stephen Leahy

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The study came out a couple of weeks ago. Dan Vergano at USA Today had a fair take on it i tht. 
2011-02-03 08:58:36
Paul D

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Stephen Leahy "Dan Vergano at USA Today had a fair take on it i tht. "

 comment by netdr on the USA Today article:

"I have posted on skepticalscience before and it is a crooked game.
when I posted that the PDO caused the warming from 1978 to 1998 i was told told that cycles cause no overall warming. When I bring up the ramp caused by increased solar output of coming out of the little ice age i am off topic and yelled at by the moderator and my posts deleted. I was not allowed to respond.

When I posted on the warming since the Little Ice age page I was told that didn't explain the rapid [1.2 ° C per century.] warming fro 1978 to 1998. When i responded that the PDO caused the rapid warming I was yelled at again and my posts deleted.

The founding premise of the site is that a single cause must explain the temperatures of the last 120 years which is a fallacy. The climate is enormously complex and two factors working at the same time is quite reasonable. Even CO2 theory needs Aerosols to explain the cooling from 1940 to 1978.

There were several people who were making the same points and the moderator was doing his best to keep us from presenting our case. He seemed to be under siege and losing.

The game is rigged and is ment to spread the gospel of CO2 and not to have a rational debate.

"

2011-02-03 11:31:28
Stephen Leahy

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didn't say the comments were fair! 
2011-02-03 20:23:49
Paul D

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Well this is interesting. minutes after posting the warmcast link and pointing out the email address on this thread, I started getting spam comments left on the blog. Fortunately blogger is filing them away for moderation rather than displaying them. I assume the timing is a coincidence!

I haven't received a copy of the paper yet.
2011-02-03 21:32:31
MarkR
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Sent, enjoy!
2011-02-03 21:38:13
Paul D

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Received, thanks.
2011-02-04 02:45:49My favorite nemesis
John Hartz
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As you all know by now, the NETDR is as stubborn as a mule and, unfortunately, is very prolific and nasty. Like most climate denier bloggers, his "science" is driven by his political and religous ideology.

Up until late this year, I had engaged him in marathon blogging sessions on the comment threads of USA Today articles on climate change. Unfortunately, I was banned from making comments on USA Today because the NETDR and his cohorts mounted a campaign against my alledgedly "ad hominem" attacks. (BTW, the person behind the NETDR screeen posted as "Oliver Stone" on USA Today a couple of years ago until he was banned.)

Personally, I am convinced that the person behind the NETDR screen is Cavin M. Wolff whose wbsite is: 

http://www.calvin-m-wolff.com/bottombarrel/doubleCO2_frames.htm

Wolff and his website were discussed in a prior General Chat thread:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/thread.php?t=605&r=9BTW,

Wolff updated his website in January of this year.  

2011-02-04 09:29:30
Rob Honeycutt

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Badgersouth...  Wolff's little paper is interesting.  He must be something else!  A whole "paper" written without the need for citing even one scientific paper, only referencing websites, and attributing a couple of charts.  Wow.  That's impressive. //sarcasm off