![]() | ||
2011-01-31 10:28:16 | Allow me some thoughts regarding educating folks | |
citizenschallenge Peter Miesler citizenschallenge7@gmail... 166.164.154.251 |
prequel: The Earth from orbit during a season’s worth of Atlantic and Pacific cyclones played out uninterrupted panning across the globe. It doesn’t need any filler because the shorter the better anyways. For people to be given the space to think it through on a gut level.
cheers http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com | |
2011-01-31 10:42:22 | ||
nealjking nealjking@gmail... 91.33.112.237 |
As someone who has spent the better part of his life studying physics, I still have to ask you: Why do you expect the ordinary Joe to get excited about the physics of the atmosphere? We have to get people excited to get anything to happen - but that approach certainly seems like the thick end of the wedge. I think where we have a chance is to get people excited about the solutions. As long as there isn't a clear vision for that, the story is always going to be a bit of a downer. We need a convincing storyline that leads to success. For example, if someone had an analysis that showed that sequestration (even better: separation from the air) of CO2 could be done cost-effectively, that would be a good story. THAT would be a Sputnik moment, with a clear challenge and a definite goal. Right now, we're still looking for a new technology. we're still lost in the desert. It's kind of hard to get people to march. | |
2011-01-31 10:55:44 | ||
citizenschallenge Peter Miesler citizenschallenge7@gmail... 166.164.154.251 |
Oh, yea. i guess you probably have a point. But it isn't like anything else has been working too well either. People don't have the faintest appreciation, so they eat all this obviously twisted nonsense the denialist echo-chamber feeds them. How else to teach what the climate scientists are trying to explain. People get overwhelmed by the complexity, but a picture is worth a thousand. . . . ~ For instance, all the it's cold in east coast so global warming is proven false, but color enhanced imagining of weather patterns has way of putting a little perspective on the ego-centric soundbite nonsense. What metaphor is more appropriate, or accurate, than a global heat engine? Why isn't that being explained? also I apologize for this again sounding US centric, it really isn't, that's just where I'm in the middle of. | |
2011-01-31 11:30:55 | citizenschallenge | |
John Hartz John Hartz john.hartz@hotmail... 98.122.68.19 |
See Daniel Bailey's post about the "Prophets of Doom" video. The average person does not wwant to watch such a video because he/she knows it will be depressing. What Climate Hawks like us lack is not a gut-wrenching video. Rather, what we lack is a sophisticated way to mobilize ourselves and speak-out with one voice. The Climate Denial Machine has had the money and wherewithall to put such as system in place in the US and throughout the countries of the world. They have an advantage over us because all they have to do to succeed is to sow the seeds of doubt. That is a lot easier than educating and reasoning with people. | |
2011-01-31 12:03:27 | "A sophisticated way to mobilize ourselves and speak-out with one voice" | |
John Cook john@skepticalscience... 123.211.149.21 |
The 'Rapid Response Network' is designed to achieve that. I was planning to start work on it in January but got distracted by Monckton Myths (a happy distraction). Will begin work in February. | |
2011-01-31 20:09:22 | ||
MarkR Mark Richardson m.t.richardson2@gmail... 134.225.187.80 |
"Our planet is a real living incredible thing. Having been on its evolutionary journey for over four billions years."
I think you've just lost half of the climate 'skeptic' camp right there! | |
2011-02-01 06:19:42 | connecting on a viscarel level | |
John Hartz John Hartz john.hartz@hotmail... 98.122.68.19 |
is the topic of a very interesting article, "Is it hot in here? Or is the climate changing?" posted today (Jan 31) on Grist. http://www.grist.org/article/2011-01-28-is-it-hot-in-here-or-is-the-climate-changing | |
2011-02-01 13:39:02 | ||
citizenschallenge Peter Miesler citizenschallenge7@gmail... 96.14.3.15 |
MarkR "Our planet is a real living incredible thing. Having been on its evolutionary journey for over four billions years." I think you've just lost half of the climate 'skeptic' camp right there! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ No doubt. That is the challenge for the thinking artist to convey..... Don't get me wrong it isn't like I imagine some magic wand to 'smite the disbelievers with the light' . . . But, what about the folks who do sort of glimpse climate science dynamics, but it is out of their grasp. Those silly liberals who want to help but don't actually have a clue... >>> when will someone offer them some digestible lessons? For kee-rist sake I've listened to so many AGW "believers" {sorry lousy word, but bare with me ~ and do share a better term} spew 3/4 nonsense, simply because they didn't quite grasp the global dynamics going on. While the "sceptics" laugh that it is all too incomprehensible so let's just all ignore the problem ~ and remember they are winning....
The folks who have a rough appreciation, could really use a tool to nail down their understanding and appreciation... It would give them a real "leg up" as they say when trying to convey what they understand about climate change and why we should all be worrying about it. Why Not?
| |
2011-02-01 13:53:01 | The challenge | |
John Cook john@skepticalscience... 123.211.149.21 |
A Christian friend of mine the other day said "you're a sciencey guy - what's up with this carbon dating stuff? Is it accurate?" So I explained how carbon dating was just one method of dating and there were all manner of different ways of working out the age of rocks or fossils or whatever - and all these different lines of evidence gave similar answers which went well beyond the 6000 years that creationists believe. But it's a tough sell. People just can't shrug off what they've believed without nquestion all their life. So we have to be sensitive to our audience and their values. | |
2011-02-01 14:16:51 | ||
citizenschallenge Peter Miesler citizenschallenge7@gmail... 96.14.3.15 |
Badgersouth: a very interesting article, "Is it hot in here? Or is the climate changing?" posted today (Jan 31) on Grist. http://www.grist.org/article/2011-01-28-is-it-hot-in-here-or-is-the-climate-changing ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Thanks for that link, good read. Excellent example although they are talking about physical emotional short term stuff. I'm thinking more in terms of intellectual visceral. You folks know {have even experienced I dare say} those moments when the strands of a mystery, problem, finally connect. For example, for us older folks, when plate tectonics came along and suddenly there was this pop of a bubble with an entirely new appreciation for what lay beyond our previous understanding. Fortunately, plate tectonics was easy enough to explain to interested grade schoolers, but climate change isn't all that different, only a few more dimensions added... that's what I'm dreaming of.......... convey the information in a refreshing manner. | |
2011-02-02 03:39:20 | Resources | |
John Hartz John Hartz john.hartz@hotmail... 98.122.68.19 |
As they say, "There's nothing new under the sun." There are numerous websites* that convey the science of climate change in a refreshing manner. Here are just three: Planetsave http://planetsave.com/ GreenAnswers http://greenanswers.com/ Climate Central http://www.climatecentral.org/ *Including SkS to be sure. | |
2011-02-03 09:38:54 | ||
citizenschallenge Peter Miesler citizenschallenge7@gmail... 166.166.222.114 |
You miss the point. Also, with respect, none of those 3 sites offered anything refreshing, and SkS out shines them all by many factors on various levels. {but this isn't about tit for tat.} The point I'm trying to make is that I believe appreciating our globe and its thin atmosphere, oceans, etc ~ Climate as a dynamic heat engine is critical for interested folks (and the noninterested) to grasp just what is happening within our climate and the weather it spawns. And that has not been accomplished. And seems to me, the best way to actually do that, is not through more endless words that can be found on endless websites, such as the three above... put together for people who don't read them anyways. {no insult intended, just trying to explain myself.} I believe scientific comprehension desperately needs something dramatic, visual, emotional, but without blabla stats and anecdotes. Draw them a picture simple enough for a ten year old to understand. Better yet make an buttkicking animation, just the facts, because that really is all the story needs, it tells itself once you grab the audiences attention. Here is what our climate {biosphere} is ~ here is what we have done to it ~ here is how the climate {biosphere} is changing. | |
2011-02-03 11:38:32 | ||
Stephen Leahy writersteve@gmail... 208.74.213.18 |
I've done something similar in conversations...and almost always get a "ya but...its Al Gore bla bla"..and other variations. We are not nearly the rational creatures we'd like to think we are. Not saying that approach doesn't work, just not w many people, but the younger the better in my experience. |