2011-01-22 19:43:33Horizon - Science Under Attack
Paul D

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Another interesting Horizon programme on BBC 2 this week about the attack on science, with climate science being one of the main subjects:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00y4yql

Not sure if this will be distributed to other national networks outside the UK, but I would imagine the most likely channels would public broadcast channels. A few weeks ago the series had an interesting programme about temperature measurement and energy.

2011-01-23 02:04:58
Paul D

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Actually having read the Radio Times review, this could be more interesting than I thought.
Apparently Sir Paul Nurse (President of the Royal Society) visits James Delingpole!

http://www.radiotimes.com/ 

"...and Delingpole starts haranguing Nurse on what science is and isn't ("Consensus is not science!"). The fact that a columnist feels able to lecture a Nobel prizewinning biologist highlights Nurse's theme beautifully."

I thought Delingpole was a blogger, not a columnist. But then again, the paper I buy is the local Portsmouth newspaper, so I could be wrong.

The more I have learnt about this whole area of climate science and politics, the more that a large chunk seems to be a classic clash of cultures, eg. Art vs Science.

2011-01-23 02:36:03
nealjking

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Delingpole counts as "Art"?

More like "a piece of work."

2011-01-23 03:51:50The future of Public Broadcasting in the US
John Hartz
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If the Republican/Tea Party machine has its way in both Washington and state capitals, federal aand state funding for public bradcasting will be zeroed out.
2011-01-23 04:42:43
nealjking

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NPR gets 90% of its funding from non-governmental sources, I've heard.
2011-01-24 05:42:02
Paul D

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Neal I was thinking more along the lines of C.P Snow and the two cultures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures


In the UK over the last few decades, the media and 'the arts' have become more dominant.
I think science and engineering is regaining some ground though.

But you wonder whether Delingpole ever really 'got' science at school. There is always an antagonism between some in the arts and science. I have come across arts lecturers that mock science.

if you combine that culture clash with political ideology, then you have a potent anti-climate science force.

Decided to check Delingpoles background/education, I assume this is the same one:

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/james-delingpole/11/91B/538

 

2011-01-24 22:52:54
Paul D

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This programme hasn't even been broadcast yet, but Delingpole feels he was 'intellectually raped':

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/jan/24/james-delingpole-tv-interview

2011-01-25 03:13:12More Delingpole poppycock
John Hartz
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Oh no, not another unbiased BBC documentary about 'Climate Change'…

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100073116/oh-no-not-another-unbiased-bbc-documentary-about-climate-change/

2011-01-25 09:33:28
Paul D

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Just watched the programme and was impressed.
He also interviewed Phil Jones who was calm and cool.
Delingpole on the other hand came across as manic and hyper (reflected in his writing).

An impressive piece of work
The main subject was climate science, although he did take a quick detour around HIV/AIDs and GM crops.

He visited NASA, who had some cool 'toys', including a big globe that seemed to be a computer screen displaying the Earth and climate information.

2011-01-25 12:09:55
nealjking

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I can't download from BBC in Germany.

Is there an indirect way of getting a look at this? I'm not up with tricks for getting free video.

2011-01-25 19:55:43
Paul D

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Don't have much time today, maybe someone else can suggest something??
2011-01-26 07:49:51
Paul D

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Should mention that Fred Singer was also interviewed by Sir Nurse.

Treehugger:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/01/leading-climate-slkeptic-intellectual-rape-bbc.php

Ratings, it beat 'Layer Cake' on Channel 5, but was beaten by Silent Witness on BBC1.

http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2011/01/25/tv-overnights-silent-witness-draws-in-7m-viewers/

Still 1.3 million viewers is good, but I'm guessing most of them were either the converted (us) or or skeptics!

2011-01-26 08:01:12
Paul D

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The BBC has put two clips on You Tube, although they are 'tame' bits:

http://www.youtube.com/user/BBC#p/search/1/_tIQFxXzfTc

http://www.youtube.com/user/BBC#p/search/0/4SmPjVCfTgM


BTW. I was a bit surprised that they didn't wear gloves when handling the books in the Royal Societies library!

2011-01-26 08:19:12
nealjking

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I just can't view this in Germany: I guess they read my IP address and refuse to set up the viewing.
2011-01-26 09:43:09
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I just watched the whole thing from outside the UK here.

2011-01-26 10:05:21
Rob Honeycutt

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The full video just popped up on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2wMGU8-2bE

2011-01-26 11:38:46
nealjking

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Thanks, Rob: I was able to view this from Germany.

It was really quite good.

Delingpole really is a horse's ass.

2011-01-27 21:26:54
Paul D

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Anyone want to take on this?

 

http://delphiusdebate.blogspot.com/2011/01/horizon-science-under-attack.html

2011-01-28 00:27:46
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Actually I agree with many of Delphius’s points (though obviously not his characterisation of the BBC as “warmist” or his complain that it wasn’t balanced). I watched the whole documentary on YouTube and it left me wanting somewhat.

I don’t think Nurse ever really explained how we know that humans are causing the warming and the Sun isn’t. I was also pretty underwhelmed by the comparison of weather models and observations, because that doesn’t say much about climate projections. I did think he dealt with Climategate well, though obviously he didn’t have time to go into all the nitty-gritty details. And he did give a good explanation of how deniers cherry-pick evidence.

I guess this subject just can’t be covered properly in 60 minutes.

2011-01-28 03:08:48
Paul D

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The documentary wasn't intended to explain climate science.

I think you are touching on the issues I have raised before, that is a lack of good quality science programmes these days that explain it at a level that is easily understandable. Also the BBC decided to 'dumb down' the Horizon series, or tackle subjects that aren't strictly science.