2011-08-16 14:51:17URGENT - need to add a few skeptics to http:..sks.to.skeptics
John Cook

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I've been sitting on this resource for months (maybe years?) now:

http://sks.to/skeptics

Michael Ashley, astrophysicist from the Uni of NSW, knew about the resource and today asked me if it was okay to link to it in an upcoming article in The Conversation. I figure it's high time we publish this. What you should see if you're logged in to SkS is just a handful of skeptics at the top of the page, then a headline "Unpublished skeptics" and a whole bunch of skeptics beneath. What I would like to do is move some of the unpublished skeptics up to the top. However, to make a skeptic worth publishing, we need 3 things:

  1. At least a few denier quotes
  2. At least a few articles by the denier
  3. SkS blog posts about that denier 

Point 3 disqualifies most deniers. So what I'm asking from SkSers is over the next day or two, if there are any deniers SkS has blogged about in the past that doesn't appear in our published skeptics, can you help add some data to our database so they're fit to be published? Specifically, what we need is:

  1. Add a few quotes via the Skeptic Quote Admin
  2. Track down some articles written by that skeptic and add them either via the Firefox Add-on or the Add Link Web Form.
  3. Assign SkS blog posts to that denier via the SkS Blogs on Skeptic Admin.

Just a bit of crowd sourcing and we should hopefully add a few more skeptics (and if you have the time and energy, add some more quotes & articles to the already published skeptics).

Once you've got a denier ready for publishing, let me know and I'll add him. Thanks!

2011-08-16 17:58:23
Paul D

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When you say published, do you mean they have at least attempted to do some calculations themeselves or have postulated their own theory??

In which case has Nigel Lawson done that??

I can't stand Lawson and I cringe when his daughter appears on a cooking programme now. But I wasn't aware he made any contribution to a contrarian theory, other than agreeing with others that had.

2011-08-16 18:01:28
Paul D

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Aah, forget that comment above. I missed the fact that you put him in the 'unpublished' crowd.
Where he should probably remain.

2011-08-16 19:33:27Published/unpublished
John Cook

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No, in this case, published merely means is SkS showing them on the Skeptics page or not. We have heaps of skeptics in our database but only a few have enough content (quotes/articles/SkS blogs) to warrant us listing them (publishing) on our skeptics page.
2011-08-17 02:51:15
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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I added 'blog maps' for McLean and Bastardi.  They should be okay to publish, though we don't have any articles for either of them yet.  They shouldn't be hard to find, though I don't know when I'll have time.

2011-08-17 11:40:48Added McLean and Bastardi
John Cook

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Have added articles for Mclean and Bastardi, and sourced photos - they've both been added to http://sks.to/skeptics.

So the page is filled out okay now - is there any other deniers we've blogged about in the past on SkS that we can add here?

2011-08-17 12:05:16Adding Murray Salby now...
John Cook

john@skepticalscience...
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Listening to the podcast for a few quotes...

2011-08-17 15:02:44
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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Archibald is ready to go live.  Montgomery just needs articles.  Michaels needs articles and quotes.  Adding his Forbes article now...

2011-08-17 22:16:14I've added a whole bunch of deniers now
John Cook

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Had a productive skype with Dana, gone live with Montgomery, realized Chris had hit William Happer so added him (a cadaverous looking fellow) and others. Then to set myself some strict deadlines, I mentioned the new feature on The Climate Show this afternoon. So it means I need to launch the feature within the next day or two. Will aim to draft it up first thing tomorrow morning.
2011-08-18 06:11:56
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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Need to get Michaels added in there.  We just need some quotes from him, which I'm sure I've got in MM #1.  I'll add those tonight.  I'll add Motl too.  John, you must have some good stuff for Harrison Schmitt, no?

2011-08-18 07:37:18Ah, Schmitt
John Cook

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Yes, there is that Articgate post about Schmitt. Amazing how many deniers SkS has blogged about over the years. My initial assessment that we haven't blogged about many deniers is way off.

There's always Pielke Sr. I recall when we had that blow up with Pielke, someone (Albatross?) posted a comment listing examples of Pielke denying basic signs of warming - Arctic ice melt, ocean warming, surface warming, etc. Collecting his most blatant examples for the quotes page would be nice.

Am thinking perhaps after this feature is launched, we add new deniers with a blog post. Or is that giving them too much attention?

Am also thinking about crowd sourcing the quotes, open it up to the public. Would be effective way to build the resource and I'm quite keen on aggressively developing the quotes database. There's lots of data mining opportunities (eg -contradictory quotes) but I can't help thinking it would be good to keep a permanent record of denier's denial. Then publish or profile their denial. Make them accountable. People will have to account for the damage their denial has done and our database can be a star witness.

2011-08-18 08:20:50
nealjking

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Crowd-sourcing only makes sense if you can impose quality control.

2011-08-18 09:54:02
Andy S

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I added Matt Ridley and put in a couple of quotes. I'll add more later if there's time.

For some reason the photo didn't work. It's here [Added later, it did work but it looks like his head has been put in a vice]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/ridley.jpg

I added links to the three blog articles I wrote on him recently. This is the first time I've done this and experience has taught me that I never get it right first time, so someone should check it.

I don't use Firefox and consequently haven't tried the add-on.

Added: I added some articles using this link http://www.skepticalscience.com/resources.php?a=addlinkform

but the articles don't seem to have appeared under the skeptic

2011-08-18 10:32:56
Andy S

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Here are two Guardian articles by Monbiot about Ridley, which I don't know how to add

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2010/jun/18/matt-ridley-rational-optimist-errors

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/31/state-market-nothern-rock-ridley

 

And one from Watching the Deniers

http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/the-rational-optimist-matt-ridley%E2%80%99s-regurgitation-of-denialist-propaganda/

2011-08-18 14:26:55Matt Ridley's photo
John Cook

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Thanks Andy, for helping build the resource.

The Ridley photo was good but I found a colour one and added that. It needs to be 150 pixels wide x 225 high in order to match the shape of the other pics.

What you did matching your SkS blog posts to Ridley was perfect - they're displaying at http://www.skepticalscience.com/Matt_Ridley_blog.htm exactly as they should.

Once you've added an article to the database (and using http://www.skepticalscience.com/resources.php?a=addlinkform is fine), you just need to map the article to the skeptic. Do this by going to http://www.skepticalscience.com/admin_skeptic.php where I've posted the following instructions:

Assign an article to a skeptic

This is a two-step process. First, add a URL to our database. Second, assign it to a skeptic.

  1. STEP ONE: Add the article via the Firefox Add-on or the web based link submission form.
  2. STEP TWO: Find your article by typing the article title (or at least some of the keywords) in the Search form at the bottom of this page.
  3. A list of articles matching your search will appear. Click your article
  4. A drop down appears letting you choose a skeptic.
  5. Bingo, that article is now added to the list of articles by your skeptic and any arguments you chose automatically pop up in all their arguments.
  6. Note: if the article's bias is set to "Skeptic", then the link will appear under that skeptic's "Articles" tab (eg - articles written by the skeptic). If the bias is set to "Pro-AGW", then the link will appear under the "Links" tab (eg - external links ABOUT the skeptic).
2011-08-19 05:03:15
Andy S

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66.183.179.249

Somebody in the comments to this post recommended that we include some stuff on Vincent Courtillot. I agree and would also add Claude Allegre. So, unless anyone else wants to have a go, I'll take these on but it may take me a while. I may even do parallel SkS posts in French if I can persuade my wife to help.

Oddly enough, in the deep past, I have published in the same field as Courtillot and a Google search on our surnames turned up a suprising number of places where we are mentioned together. We have even both cited each others articles on occasion. We have never met and I'm sure he's never heard of me.