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2011-12-08 23:36:15 | Pagani et al 2011.Antarctic glacial onset: second draft | |
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
The End of the Hothouse: new study links major atmospheric CO2 drop to the onset of Antarctic glaciation, 33.7 million years ago by John Mason Forty million years ago, Antarctica had a pleasantly mild climate, its mountains and shores flanked by swathes of woodland in which a diverse mammalian fauna flourished. Today, it is one of the most inhospitable places on Earth. Throughout this time, the continent has remained in pretty much the same place, straddling the South Pole. It follows that a drastic climatic change must have occurred, but how? Above: The Cenozoic climatic trend (green line): figure prepared by Robert A. Rohde (citations via the link). The cause of the precipitous end-Eocene fall in temperatures has been the subject of much research. The strata dating from this time have been mapped, analysed and their fossil fauna and flora described on an ongoing basis. The new paper in Science has added yet another piece to the jigsaw, refining the use of what was previously a problematic CO2 proxy - something whose properties can be calibrated with CO2 concentration at the time - and reaffirming the role of CO2 as Planet Earth's atmospheric thermostat. However, the new study has also been doing the rounds in the skeptic sector of the Blogosphere. Typically, and unsurprisingly, the professional-skeptic spin on the paper has involved variations of the following theme: "so the Antarctic was a frozen hell at 600ppm and we are nowhere near that, so what's all the fuss about?" Abstract Earth’s modern climate, characterized by polar ice sheets and large equator-to-pole temperature gradients, is rooted in environmental changes that promoted Antarctic glaciation ~33.7 million years ago. Onset of Antarctic glaciation reflects a critical tipping point for Earth’s climate and provides a framework for investigating the role of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) during major climatic change. Previously published records of alkenone-based CO2 from high- and low-latitude ocean localities suggested that CO2 increased during glaciation, in contradiction to theory. Here, we further investigate alkenone records and demonstrate that Antarctic and subantarctic data overestimate atmospheric CO2 levels, biasing long-term trends. Our results show that CO2 declined before and during Antarctic glaciation and support a substantial CO2 decrease as the primary agent forcing Antarctic glaciation, consistent with model-derived CO2 thresholds. Glaciation always leaves calling-cards So how did it cool so quickly? The abrupt cooling episode that led to the appearance of Antarctica's glaciers has been the subject of much research and there have been a number of proposed mechanisms, involving changing concentrations of greenhouse gases, orbital variations and changes to oceanic currents in various combinations. Brief mention should also be made of the slightly fainter sun at the time: as a main sequence star, the sun has been brightening at a rate of ca. 10% per billion years of geological time, so that 33.7 million years ago it would have been about 0.3% less bright than at the present day. However, this variability clearly occurs over a very long timescale, so that it would not cause a sudden and drastic climate event. CO2 values in the Hothouse climate of the Eocene (and indeed over the preceding millions of years) were significantly higher (1000-1500ppm) than any relatively recent levels (180-280ppm respectively in glacial-interglacial cycles and ~390ppm and rising in the Industrial Age of today). However, the exact timing, nature and causes of the Cenozoic CO2 decline have remained somewhat elusive. Reconstructions have been attempted by examining the chemistry of alkenones in marine sediments. Alkenones are organic compounds of the ketone family that are in most cases highly resistant in nature. They are produced by a particular class of phytoplanktonic algae and their stable carbon isotope ratios have been used in palaeoclimatology as a method of estimating atmospheric CO2 levels (Pagani, 2002). The existing, problematic alkenone-based CO2 record is based on samples taken from a variety of environmental settings. In cases where they were obtained from poorly-stratified, nutrient-rich waters, the new paper suggests, it was possible that the samples did not accurately reflect the atmospheric CO2 concentration. In this new study, the authors examined regional differences in CO2-alkenone estimates from six well-separated localities around the globe, representing a range of environmental conditions, in order to investigate the problem further.
Above: The late-Eocene world. Image courtesy of Ron Blakey of CP Geosystems. Where did the CO2 go?
Source: http://www.ipcc-data.org/ddc_co2.html The Pagani et al (2011) reconstruction suggests that a significant and rapid episode of CO2 drawdown occurred just before and during the cooling that led to the onset of Antarctic glaciation, and the drawdown took CO2 levels to 600-700ppm - below the modelled threshold value for the initiation of Antarctic glaciation. The converse of this is that, in an ice-free world, atmospheric CO2 levels much above 600-700ppm would not favour temperatures low enough for the development of glaciers in that continent. Heading into a future with CO2 levels in the high hundreds of PPM therefore seems unfavourable for the long-term survival of the ice-sheets of Antarctica. In this context, it is important to remember that the current study deals with the onset of glaciation in Antarctica - as set out above, the extensive ice-sheets came later in the Oligocene and Miocene when CO2 levels were lower still, the Circum-Antarctic Current had fully developed and albedo had increased massively. Skeptical Science has already covered land-ice loss from Antarctica here: the current rate of loss is 100-300Gt/year. Arguments, generated by professional climate change skeptics, that Antarctica is gaining ice are thus off-target: the continent is losing land-ice, whose melting leads to sea-level rise. Fluctuations in sea-ice (which is what these skeptics have seized upon) do not affect sea-levels: indeed, they are to be expected as the input of massive amounts of fresh water from melting land-ice dilutes surface sea-water salinity, thereby raising its freezing-point and promoting sea-ice growth - for the time being. Paper under discussion in this post: | |
2011-12-09 05:55:33 | ||
Sphaerica Bob@Lacatena... 76.28.5.93 |
Excellent article, although the direction the science takes and the conclusions at the end do not directly, clearly refute the phrasing of the denial position offered at the outset:
I think I'd put a little more emphasis, at the end, on the idea that the current science paints a bleak enough picture with only partial destruction of the Antarctic ice-sheets, and that no one really had ever been predicting the complete loss of all Antarctic ice any time soon. Adding that to the equation at a mere 600 ppm is a very, very bad thing, not something in which to take comfort.
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2011-12-09 14:56:09 | ||
jyyh Otto Lehikoinen otanle@hotmail... 193.199.52.124 |
I've always thought the cooling of the ACC was the sole cause. It'd have initiated massive algal blooms down south (most zooplankton died for the cold), leading to vastly increased algal carbon sink during this period, but clearly there are also other factors in play. Informative, and the question of where this sequestred carbon is now is important, Thumb. | |
2011-12-09 18:04:03 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
Thanks both. I'll tweak the ending, but also it occurred to me overnight that I could ask Pagani whether there has been any Sr isotope work on late Eocene limestones. It is a line of enquiry that can pick up monstrous chemical weathering episodes - see my ramblings on the Taconic Orogeny & the Hirnantian glaciation in the late Ordovician: http://www.geologywales.co.uk/storms/hirnantian.htm I'll email him on that point. It also occurred to me overnight that I have used the term "skeptic" twice when what I mean is "denialist". Can I use the latter or is it generally frowned upon? "Political opposition" would be my second choice, as I think the term "skeptic" is misused by the media WRT climatology. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-10 01:03:32 | ||
Daniel Bailey Daniel Bailey yooper49855@hotmail... 97.83.150.37 |
"I have used the term "skeptic" twice when what I mean is "denialist"" My personal preference is fake-skeptic. Clear, to the point, lacks the taint of "denier" or "denialist". | |
2011-12-10 01:35:13 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
Thanks - have adapted that term and tweaked the ending slightly. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-10 16:14:05 | ||
Glenn Tamblyn glenn@thefoodgallery.com... 60.230.159.2 |
John I like it. Clear and concise. However one quibble/point and a suggestion. Q/P: Currently the language and concepts in this post are towards the upper end of the SkS readership. You might consider adding some simpler statements or more summaries to help the lower level of our readership follow it. Second point. This does not include any provision for changes in the Sun's output over deep time. The Sun has increased its heat output by about 30% since it was born, call it 4.5 Billion years ago. Although 35 Myr may seem small compared to the age of the Sun, there is still an effect. By my rough calculation 600ppm 35 Myr ago is the equivalent of around 520 ppm today.So the doubling of CO2e that is the focus of so much attention now also seems to put us into the temperature range where Antarctica could completely deglaciate.
And I think the recent IEA report suggested that before the end of this decade installed FF power station capacity would take us to 685 by the end of their economic life. Loose Antarctica or loose Trillions of dollars shutting down capital plant before the end of its life! What was it Hansen said about Faustian Bargains? | |
2011-12-10 16:16:29 | ||
Glenn Tamblyn glenn@thefoodgallery.com... 60.230.159.2 |
DB I like the term 'Professional Skeptic' - not only conveys that the skepticism may 'not be entirely accurate' but also that this isn't just a casual position they have taken, this is a career path. | |
2011-12-10 19:04:05 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
Glenn, thanks. I have incorporated the term. Have added a number of simplifications/explanations, mentioned the sun, and also summarised in a few words another paper - Anderson et al 2011 (see refs - it's a very interesting paper which is open-source), which looks at the West Antarctic Peninsula and suggests a CO2 plunge kicking things off then the Circum-Antarctic Current (plus albedo-change almost certainly) taking a role later in the Oligocene & Miocene as the last patches of wooded tundra finally succumbed to the advance of the ice-sheets. How do I go about posting it once it's fully approved? Can someone do that for me? Cheers - John | |
2011-12-11 03:00:23 | ||
Daniel Bailey Daniel Bailey yooper49855@hotmail... 97.83.150.37 |
John Mason: Dana and JC usually handle the scheduling of publication of the articles and rebuttals. I act as backup, when needed. | |
2011-12-11 04:50:45 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
I'll email JC - it's my first post and I should like his approval. There's no great hurry WRT this and it is his site after all. Have also emailed the guys who produce the palaeoglobes - not Chris Scotese on this occasion but Ron Blakey as he has a lovely one from the late Eocene. It will fit in the middle nicely, should he agree to its use. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-11 13:52:07 | ||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 203.173.237.124 |
John, this is better but is both too long and expects too much of an uninformed reader, i.e our target audience. There's just too much extraneous information. Here for example: "During the middle to late Eocene the climate cooled, but around the Eocene-Oligocene boundary it literally fell off a cliff. This was the point at which glaciation initiated in Antarctica. Through the rest of the Oligocene and into the Miocene, warm (but not Hothouse senso stricto)" Senso stricto? Knowing how all those periods relate to each other is not something the casual reader is going to be able to process either. As the late great Ernest Rutherford, and now the great progosticator Nealstradamus, suggest - how would you explain this to a barmaid? I would suggest breaking it down into headings to aid digestibility too. Introduction: What are you going to tell/show them? - paper confirms well-known relationship between global temperature and atmospheric CO2? -Antartica began to grow ice sheets when CO2 fell below 600ppm? Before then it was warmer and supported both plant and animal life which no longer exist? - On current trends, and if this 600ppm represents a threshold between some ice/no ice in Antarctica, then within 70(?) years we have burnt enough fossil fuel to make Antarctica completely ice-free and submerge every coastal city in the world. (You might not want to go there, but this is what is implied if all that ice is lost. It is not an exaggeration, just spell out the timeframe) Guts of the post: -Previous studies of CO2 proxies of the cooling period which initiated icesheet formation, shows they had been misinterpreted? -New analysis reveals that a drop in atmospheric CO2 from 1200-1000ppm to 700-600ppm coincides with the formation of the icesheet, and is in line with physics? - Why did it drop? -Where did the CO2 go? -Anything else a casual reader might find interesting? Summary: Reinforce the introduction and any other key points you think the reader should take away. Just remember who we are writing for, don't be mislead by commenters who are generally reasonably well informed on SkS threads. They are only a tiny percentage of readership. NB: lose the citations at the end. They're just unncecessary clutter. Hyper-link to relevant papers, and try not to go too overboard. Oh, and congrats on your first blog post here! | |
2011-12-11 21:17:22 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
Rob, thanks.
WRT the total melt, I'm not sure we really have much idea how long that will take TBH - however the situation will condemn us to an ongoing rise. The previous studies were not misinterpreted as such - instead they gave problematic results, which this paper has gone a long way to solve. I'll give it a final edit, but it has to be appreciated that this is a particularly complex subject and too much brevity can backfire, by leaving out crucial context. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-11 21:42:57 | ||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.93.31.58 |
"I'll give it a final edit, but it has to be appreciated that this is a particularly complex subject and too much brevity can backfire, by leaving out crucial context." John, that is the all too common trap that climate science communicators fall into, myself included. We have to some how condense what the science says into bite-sized servings. If we try to cover everything, then the message will be diluted, or not understood at all. We are not writing to impress each other. Total melt - many centuries, perhaps over a millenia. Who cares? The average Jane/Joe just needs to know that our actions today will likely result in all coastal cities being inundated in the future. Will Florida even exist anymore? London? New York? That's how serious this is. Once the tipping point is reached there are no rainchecks, postponements or cancellations, that deal is done and dusted. Now I agree that not everything we may wish to write about can be covered in a single post, but I reckon this one can, and without losing vital context. And I'm only giving this spiel to you, seeing as this is your first post and it's easier to start off on the right foot. I know it's hard to take this all onboard, it was for me too when Nealstrdamus was (rightly) criticizing me, but I've long since realized he was bang on the button.
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2011-12-11 21:47:32 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
Rob, it's much appreciated. Getting started on the right foot makes perfect sense to me! Leave it with me - churning into Notepad right now!! Cheers - John | |
2011-12-11 23:51:08 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
OK have a look at the slimmed-down version, folks! A few hundred words less. Please note that I have given the Cenozoic - and the alien, wooded Antarctica - a better introduction too. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-12 06:03:03 | ||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.92.83.229 |
John, this is vastly better (from a layman's perpsective), although you could still have shed a tad more jargon. Thumbs up from me bro! | |
2011-12-12 18:36:50 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
Good to go, I guess. Hopefully I might hear from Ron WRT the end-Eocene palaeoglobe today....... Cheers - John | |
2011-12-13 18:03:28 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.134.20.156 |
Update: Ron has permitted the use of the paleogloce which I have dropped in to break up the text. This post is now ready to go on the front end - can Dana or Dan sort that when ready? Cheers - John | |
2011-12-14 03:12:06 | My recommendation | |
John Hartz John Hartz john.hartz@hotmail... 98.122.98.161 |
The article needs a good introdcutory paragraph telling the reader what's it all about (including major conclusions) and enticing him/her to actually persue the remainder of the article. A well-written introductory paragraph should standard fare for all SkS articles. | |
2011-12-14 04:28:20 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.142.20.0 |
John, I was hoping that the title & first paragraph might draw people in: the former summarises the study and the latter briefly sets out the problem before ending with a tantalising question. Happy to give the start another rework if necessary, if people agree with you. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-14 06:05:22 | John Mason | |
John Hartz John Hartz john.hartz@hotmail... 98.122.98.161 |
My recommendation was made based on the text provided in your initial post. If you have subsequently rewritten the initial paragraph, I have not seen the revised version. An example of the type of introdctory paragraph that I believe should be standard in all SkS articles is the initial paragraph of Dana's recent article, Huber and Knutti Quantify Man-Made Global Warming. I prodded Dana to add the following opening paragraph before the article was posted. [Dana composed the text. I only urged him to create and insert a new paragraph.]
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2011-12-14 17:47:25 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.142.20.0 |
John, Title and first few sentences now say: The End of the Hothouse: new study links major atmospheric CO2 drop to the onset of Antarctic glaciation, 33.7 million years ago by John Mason Forty million years ago, Antarctica had a pleasantly mild climate, its mountains and shores flanked by swathes of woodland in which a diverse mammalian fauna flourished. Today, it is one of the most inhospitable places on Earth. Throughout this time, the continent has remained in pretty much the same place, straddling the South Pole. It follows that a drastic climatic change must have occurred, but how? Cheers - John | |
2011-12-15 03:19:15 | ||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 64.129.227.4 |
Let me know when you feel this is ready to publish, John M. | |
2011-12-15 04:32:54 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.142.20.0 |
Hi Dana, I'm fairly content with it, but I should like to see if others share John H's concerns WRT the start of the piece, as in the post immediately above. I'm new here in terms of blog posts and want people to be happy with my contributions. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-15 04:39:36 | John Mason | |
John Hartz John Hartz john.hartz@hotmail... 98.122.98.161 |
Your first two paragprahs fill the bill. If it were my call, I'd combine them into a single paragaprh, but your writing style is your style. | |
2011-12-15 04:42:22 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.142.20.0 |
Thanks, John. Good to get the clarification. Everyone certainly has their own style, which is a good thing IMO :) Dana - good to go, and away with the chocks! Cheers - John | |
2011-12-15 05:09:30 | John Mason | |
John Hartz John Hartz john.hartz@hotmail... 98.122.98.161 |
I just read Rob Painting's concerns about he length of the article. Along those lines, I suggest that you delete the paper's Abstract amd the paragraph before it. I disagree with Rob about elimainating the "Paper under discussion in this post..." mateiral a tthe end of the paper. I do not believe that readers will see it as clutter. In addition, It is necesary material for the print verison of the article. Embedded electronic links do not show up in the print version. | |
2011-12-15 05:26:02 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.142.20.0 |
I thought about doing that, John: however, despite the extra word-count, I think it is respectful to any author to include the abstract, and then to comment on the bulk of the paper. It leaves the clear conclusions well-recorded and incapable of misinterpretation. I have done this for years, because I believe that if you are centering an entire post around one paper then it is useful to cite that paper's abstract. My view is that SkS should always incorporate these verbatim into any blog-posts. Readers will either flick through the first couple of sentences or read all the way to the bottom. And you'll never make one do the other, or vice-versa! I may be wrong of course!! But it is the pattern I have seen eveywhere. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-15 08:42:47 | John Mason | |
John Hartz John Hartz john.hartz@hotmail... 98.122.98.161 |
I do not recall ever seeing the complete Abstract of a published paper included in the text of a SkS article. If our target audience is indeed the average person, including the Abstract in an article counterproductive. | |
2011-12-15 17:00:26 | ||
John Mason johntherock@btopenworld... 86.142.20.0 |
I guess the point I was trying to make is that the whole idea of any paper having an Abstract is that its findings may be read and reasonably digested by any literate person, although in reality that is not always accomplished by the abstract-writer! I do tend to encourage people to read abstracts simply because I tend to encourage people to get their climatology - at least in good measure - from the horse's mouth, so to speak. One idea might be to move it down to beneath the reference to the paper: doing so would still see it read by those who want to. What do other regular contributors think? Having made it stand out in bold already makes it skippable by people who would be inclined to skip such a thing. Cheers - John | |
2011-12-15 17:52:51 | ||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 71.137.110.252 |
I think including the abstract is fine - it's a pretty short one. |