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2011-10-28 06:06:25 | Can someone please refute Singer's BS at Nature? | |
Albatross Julian Brimelow stomatalaperture@gmail... 198.53.65.169 |
Sorry folks, I posted on the wrong thread! | |
2011-10-29 18:28:20 | post? | |
Riccardo riccardoreitano@tiscali... 2.33.129.49 |
Below a draft post on Singer comment. I'm not sure we should have a post on it, I still think that if a denier, a paper or a blog post does not get traction the best thing we could do is ignore him. I think we should not publish it, at least untill we see it quoted. But given that I wrote it for myself (as I ofted do when I read something really irritating) and it is in a more or less publishable form, I'll let you decide. ---------------------------- Waiting for the dust to settle, we still see a host of different reactions to BEST's results. The very first shouts from many skeptics has been along the line of "no one has ever claimed that the planet is not warming", although we know that in many instances it's not true. | |
2011-10-29 19:17:05 | ||
nealjking nealjking@gmail... 91.33.96.136 |
Riccardo: "the well know and reputable scientist Prof. Fred Singer, Emeritus at the University of Virginia." On what planet? | |
2011-10-29 19:19:53 | ||
Riccardo riccardoreitano@tiscali... 2.33.129.49 |
Well known he is, reputable is just to be generous :) | |
2011-10-29 20:47:59 | Minor typo: | |
michael sweet sweetdreamfiji@hotmail... 71.180.31.73 |
Second paragraph from the end: replace "Spencer" with "Singer" I think your suggestion of not replying unless he gets quoted is a good idea. I would remove the "reputable scientist" since it has been a long time since he contributed reputable science. There is no need to complement him, he criticizes scientists much more informed than himself. Refer to Naomi Oraskes Merchants of Doubt about his contributations to tobacco (and DDT). | |
2011-10-29 23:38:53 | ||
nealjking nealjking@gmail... 91.33.96.136 |
... and ozone He's more of a scientific "have gun / will travel" type. | |
2011-10-30 03:26:13 | ||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 69.230.101.55 |
Nice Riccardo, I was thinking of writing something similar, so I'm glad to see you saved me the effort. I think Singer has already been quoted on WUWT by the way, and I think this is worth publishing. A couple of things. I agree calling Singer reputable is not justified. Well-known is probably fine, maybe even specifically "well-known 'skeptic' scientist." I'd replace "massaged" with "adjusted". Wouldn't even want to suggest that data analysis could be equivalent to "massaging". It might be worth noting that RSS and UAH aren't the only two groups who analyse satellite data; there are three others who all show even more warming. Glenn is writing a post on this that we could reference. I don't know if we want to mention WUWT, but they've been alternating between saying it's obvious that the planet is warming, and denying the BEST results. It's like they're schizophrenic. Might be worth mentioning towards the beginning when you're talking about these two denialist positions, but I can understand if you want to stay focused on what Singer said too. I think the extreme denial of claiming the planet hasn't warmed since 1940 deserves a little more focus too. We can discuss all the physical indicators of warming (rising sea levels, melting glaciers, etc.) and use the 'warming indicators' graphic. If deniers can't even accept the obvious and undeniable fact that the planet is warming, then how can anyone possibly take them seriously? I think that deserves emphasis. | |
2011-10-30 06:04:17 | ||
Riccardo riccardoreitano@tiscali... 2.33.129.49 |
Ok, I'll make the suggested changes and add figures. Though, better wait for other opinions on publishing or not on Singer's comment. | |
2011-10-30 06:43:36 | ||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 69.230.101.55 |
Singer's Nature comment has been quoted by WUWT (twice, actually), and by Climate Depot, among others. I think it merits a response. If nothing else we debunk the myths (again) that BEST used the same data as NOAA/GISS/HadCRU, that the satellites show no warming, and that the planet hasn't warmed since 1940. Frankly just getting Singer on the record as arguing for no warming since 1940 is a victory. If anybody ever quotes Singer, all you have to do is say "this is the guy who said the planet hasn't warmed since 1940." That's global warming denial, by definition. In fact "Fred Singer's Global Warming Denial" wouldn't be a bad post title. Or "Fred Singer Denies Settled Science", and you can use the Settled Science logo (because everything here is quite settled). | |
2011-10-31 05:11:21 | ||
Riccardo riccardoreitano@tiscali... 2.33.129.49 |
Here we go guys, the first pre-relese version of the post. I made the changes as suggested, including the infamous "reputable". My goal was to show how i didn't behave as a reputable scientst by first cnceding it and then show why he's not. But I agree that it might be read differently and I dropped it. I also mentioned the schizophrenic behaviour as suggested by Dana, though not refererd to WUWT in particular. Indeed, it's quite a common pattern in the denialosphere. Ready for more suggestions. | |
2011-10-31 08:59:46 | ||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 69.230.101.55 |
Looks good, I went in and corrected some typos and such. I still think the title should say something about denying global warming, because that's exactly what Singer is doing. | |
2011-10-31 10:36:38 | ||
Riccardo riccardoreitano@tiscali... 2.33.129.49 |
I have no problem with changing the title but I need suggestions, my creativity level is somewhere down toward the floor :) Thenk you for the corrections. | |
2011-11-01 07:16:29 | ||
dana1981 Dana Nuccitelli dana1981@yahoo... 64.129.227.4 |
I vote for "Fred Singer Denies Global Warming". But I'm kind of blunt like that :-) | |
2011-11-01 07:22:58 | ||
Albatross Julian Brimelow stomatalaperture@gmail... 198.53.65.169 |
Seconded :) | |
2011-11-01 07:27:38 | ||
Rob Painting Rob paintingskeri@vodafone.co... 118.93.126.44 |
Thirded. This ready to go? | |
2011-11-01 09:47:21 | ||
Riccardo riccardoreitano@tiscali... 2.33.129.49 |
Change made. It sounds much like a breaking news headline, which is not given his multidecadal denial, but it's the right one. |