2011-08-16 02:50:19Scott Denning: Reaching Across the Abyss
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Scott Denning: Reaching Across the Abyss

2011-08-16 03:42:10
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Brilliant, two thumbs up!

2011-08-16 04:47:46
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Thanks.  I also just finally figured out how to embed this video, although if I had to redo it, I'd probably forget what I did :)

2011-08-16 06:16:02
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Quite a talk!

I wonder how it went over?

2011-08-16 07:11:08Sounded awesome!
Daniel Bailey
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If you ever need help embedding a video, just email me:

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2011-08-16 07:17:26
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Neal, it appears he was treated well, although he doesn't know how effective he was

http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2011/07/scott-denning-shares-lessons-from-dialog-with-skeptics/

 

 

Thanks Daniel.

2011-08-16 08:26:52
nealjking

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It sounds as if he got a few people to ask semi-reasonable questions, so maybe he caused a few moments of thought.

Actually, one thing does bother me about his presentation: His statement that "CO2 emits heat". I think it would be more accurate (but not more complicated) to say that "CO2 traps heat".

He also fielded a question, near the end, in the comments on saturation of CO2, which I suspect was not answered with complete clarity. I suspect that radiative-transfer theory is not his strong suit.

But in general, a very strong effort. Maybe he cracked a few heads.

2011-08-16 08:31:23
Rob Painting
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Nice post Grypo, but I disagree with Scott Denning's free market solution to the problem. Humans will have to very rapidly move away from the concept of infinite economic growth, because ecosystem collapse lies just around the corner.  

2011-08-16 10:06:01
nealjking

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Rob,

I'm not sure it will work either, but challenging the audience to come up with solutions that DO fit within their fundamental political/emotional framework makes it THEIR problem, and not HIS problem. This might shake loose a few rocks.

Plus, there is one good point about free-market approaches: They are self-motivating. Reagan already proved that he could sink Carter's generally sensible ideas about energy conservation by referring to them as "freezing in the dark".

2011-08-16 10:18:20
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I think most people can agree that a revenue neutral pigvogian carbon tax is at least a start in the right direction.  As long as we are not funding government, the free market still functions as free, and even more free if you include the real cost of coal, for instance.  Believe it or not, Hansen's tax ideas are actually traditionally free-market ideas.  Although gettiing the right wing to acknowledge that fact is impossible.  i think that's what Denning is attempting.  

 

Beyond that, the questions of enviromentally sustainability and growth will also need to be tackled, I agree without hesitation.  But I can't imagine walking into Heartland and telling people indefinate growth is bad.  I imagine the "warmth" that Denning recieved would disappear immediately.  

2011-08-16 10:19:20
Daniel Bailey
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You have to think of the Far Right as a large ship, with climate charge as an iceberg or other threat.  Ideological inertia means that course correction has to be made in incremental changes, starting early enough to make a difference.  It's like that scene from “The Hunt For Red October” in which the Red October is navigating Red Route 1 (the underwater canyon) at high speed with a torpedo chasing them and they have passed their fail-safe point for changing directions safely within the canyon…

No amount of Sean Connery calling out “Right Full Rudder” can save us if the turn proves to be too sharp.

2011-08-16 14:42:11
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I like Denning's approach in his messaging.  An important point which I don't know if he made - the longer the "skeptics" manage to delay action, the more significant the action will have to be.  If they manage to delay action long enough through denialist tactics, once people finally realize that we have to take action, free market solutions may very well be insufficient for the task. 

If the free market is going to solve the problem, it's got to do it now.