2011-06-03 09:43:57Dana's article in The Conversation
John Cook

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http://theconversation.edu.au/very-worried-about-escalating-emissions-you-should-be-1601

I hope you don't mind, Dana, that John Abraham got top billing for the article even though you did all the heavy lifting :-)

2011-06-03 09:52:08Doh, been there, done that
John Cook

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Obviously, everyone is already over this as Dana has already blogged about it. Sorry, catching up on all the activity while I was sleeping :-)

2011-06-03 10:38:22
dana1981
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Yeah, it sucks a bit that John gets his name and picture at the top, while I just get a brief mention as "co-author" at the bottom, even though I wrote the whole thing and he just gave one suggestion. But it is what it is, and that's the only way I could get published on The Conversation, so I can't complain. I gave myself top billing on the post here :-) Steve L. said if it gets cross-posted on ABC Drum, he'lll try to get my name at the top there. And I presume my name will be at the top if we get it into TreeHugger. So it's all good. I also added a link to SkS next to my name in The Conversation article, so it might generate a few hits for us.
2011-06-03 10:59:31
nealjking

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Yeah, well you know what they say: "There's no limit to what you can get done, as long as you don't care who gets the credit."

It's an investment.

2011-06-03 12:00:56
Andy S

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That's gracious of Dana not to complain but I think it's deplorable. If there was a major error or--gasp--plagiarism in the article would John Abraham take full responsibility?

"The Conversation" would apparently publish articles "authored" by Edward Wegman but not by John Mashey. Even prestigious journals don't restrict the range of eligible authors in this way.

2011-06-03 14:32:14
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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It's unfortunate, but it's the rules.  John Abraham agreed that it kind of sucked :-)

It got compounded too.  ABC Drum quoted and linked the article, and attributed the quote to John Abraham, even though I wrote the whole thing (with slight editing by The Conversation editor).  But what can you do, it's their rules.  I still emailed lots of people and told them I got published in ABC Drum under John Abraham's name ;-)

2011-06-03 14:56:18
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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Oh, and John (Cook) gets credit for my graph in the Washington Post.  I'm like the puppet master behind the scenes!

2011-06-03 15:22:37The Thunderbirds
Glenn Tamblyn

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So should we call you Jerry Anderson then?

 

2011-06-03 15:44:31
Andy S

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To be clear, I wasn't critcizing John A (or John C) just the academics-only rule at The Conversation.

Glenn: you'll have to give me a clue about who the heck Jerry Anderson is!

2011-06-03 17:15:10
Rob Painting
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Andy, Thunderbirds, Stingray, Joe 90, were all the rage when I was a young fella.

2011-06-04 16:10:22
Andy S

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The graph from Dana's article was reposted on the Ygesias blog and credited to Brad Plumer. http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/06/03/235479/co2-emissions-back-on-the-rise/ Perhaps we should stamp all new figures with a discrete SkS logo. A surprised penguin in the corner maybe? Rob, yeah, I'm old enough to remember the Thunderbirds, old enough to have forgotten too...
2011-06-04 20:32:03Ah, Dana short changed again
John Cook

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You know what they say, plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery. When people start ripping off our work, we know we've made it!
2011-06-04 23:17:59
nealjking

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Yeah, dana, look at the bright side: You're becoming part of the backdrop, the presumed reality.

Someday, WUWT will reference your work ACCIDENTALLY.

2011-06-05 01:06:55
dana1981
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LOL neal :-) I left a comment on the Yglesias post asking him to fix the attribution. I might see if I can find a more direct contact later, but I don't have time at the moment. I think is a pretty rare case where our figure has gone somewhat viral, so branding our graphics in general probably isn't really necessary. Thanks for pointing that out though, Andy. I'll try to get us some credit for it.
2011-06-07 19:06:13
logicman

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"Someday, WUWT will reference your work ACCIDENTALLY."

That one made me laugh out loud - literally!

 

Not giving proper credit is woven into the fabric of the English language:

"Wolsey built a vast palace complex at Hampton Court, immeasurably transforming a grand private house into a magnificent bishop’s palace." - http://www.hrp.org.uk/HamptonCourtPalace/cardinalworks.aspx

 

Wolsely must have been the world's fastest brickie - the whole job only took him 9 years.  I'm totally amazed that he found time to perfom his church duties as cardinal and act as Henry VIII's advisor.