2011-05-08 05:28:18Lindzen Illusion #7: The Anti-Galileo
dana1981
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The Lindzen summation post: Lindzen Illusion #7: The Anti-Galileo

2011-05-08 06:08:47
logicman

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That gets a thumb from me -

and a cartoon:

http://vademecum.brandenberger.eu/grafiken/klima/stretching.gif

from page -

http://vademecum.brandenberger.eu/themen/klima-2/who.php

2011-05-08 06:23:18
nealjking

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"flawed vision" => "dim" or "cloudy vision"

"anti-Galileo" => "Pope Urban VIII"

2011-05-08 06:36:01
Riccardo

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Very good summary. You may add somewhere that there's nothing wrong of being wrong in science. The problem is when you fail to see your mistake that others (or reality!) point you at.

And yes, Galileo was right, as it was recognized by other scientists of the time, like Keplero just to name one.It was only the Catholic Church and a bunch of scientists linked to it that got stuck to the litteral interpretation of the Bible.

A bit of history of meteorology. Thank to Galileo, in the mid XVII century the Accademia del Cimento  was founded in Florence by Galileo's students. It set up the first meteorological network where temperature and pressure were measured using standard instruments (invented by them) and procedures. The network included Paris, London, Innsbruck (Austria) and Warsaw. Definitely the first european meteorological network.

2011-05-08 06:43:22thanks
dana1981
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logicman - I'm sure the deniers love that one.

neal - I presume that was the Pope who persecuted Galileo?  I don't know if that's a good analogy.  Lindzen isn't persecuting anyone.  He doesn't have that much power.  They were both on the wrong side of the scientific evidence though.

Riccardo - good points.  I'll add those into the post.

2011-05-08 06:46:52
nealjking

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There's an Italian physics journal called "Nuovo Cimento". What does "Cimento" mean?

2011-05-08 07:35:29
Riccardo

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cimento indicates a feat, a hard try.The motto of the Accademia del Cimento was "try and try again".

In modern italian it's almost exclusevely used as a verb.

2011-05-08 07:57:44
Albatross
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Good God Dana, you are a machine!

2011-05-08 08:44:42Resistance is futile
Daniel Bailey
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I loved this bit:

So Lindzen does present a coherent, consistent alternative hypothesis to the anthropogenic global warming theory.  There's only one problem: as discussed above, every single one of these arguments is inconsistent with the observational evidence.


(Emphasis added)

2011-05-08 10:46:14
Glenn Tamblyn

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Small typo

 

"nothing wrong of with being mistaken in science"

Great summary.

Suggestion. When this series is finished, could it be built into a pdf that can be distributed?

 

2011-05-08 16:10:56
Rob Painting
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Sweeeeet.

2011-05-09 02:47:11
mcba

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Suggest changing: "There is  of course nothing wrong of being mistaken in science." to "There is, of course, nothing wrong with being occasionally mistaken in science."

Otherwise, some very nice wordsmithing in this article!

2011-05-09 03:05:41Something tells me that you're lying about your injury and the inability to type.
Alex C

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Good job, nice summary of the arguments.

One other small typo:

"he has effectively admitted that he was wrong on thee points"

>>"he has effectively admitted that he was wrong on three points"

and:

"...other scientists or by nature.  Especially when we're asked to believe that he is right and virtually every other scientific expert is wrong."

>>"...other scientists or by nature, especially when we're asked to believe that he is right and virtually every other scientific expert is wrong."

2011-05-09 05:14:33thanks
dana1981
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Thanks guys, will fix those typos.

Alex - nope, I'm just getting good at typing with this splint on (gotta wear it for another week).  i still type normally with the right hand, and peck with my left hand middle finger.  It does slow me down a bit, and cause a few more typos, but I do okay.

Glenn -I'm sure we could make a PDF if there's a demand for it.  Not sure the series will ever technically be finished, since Lindzen isn't going to stop spewing crap, but #7 is a natural break point.

2011-05-09 05:19:05MSM
dana1981
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Oh by the way, at some point in the next few days I'll simplify this into a mainstream media version too.

2011-05-11 09:52:55
dana1981
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I tweaked the ending a bit.  I'll do the MSM version Thursday, since I'm taking the day off for my b-day.  John also made a pretty sweet LI button, and we're going to launch the Lindzen page along with this post on Thursday (USA time).

Let me know if there are any more comments.

2011-05-11 10:02:32
Daniel Bailey
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Happy birthday, Dana!

2011-05-11 10:36:59
Albatross
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Happy B'day Dana...hope that you have a blast.

2011-05-11 11:15:16Lindzen Illusion button
John Cook

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Was going for the 'cheap magician' theme:

Will encourage other bloggers to use the button.

2011-05-11 11:27:20Nice!
Daniel Bailey
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Looks like you're using a Harry Potter-esque font.

2011-05-11 11:52:43
Rob Painting
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Happy birthday Dana. Do cyclons dream of electric sheep?.

2011-05-11 12:00:40Nicely played
Daniel Bailey
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Now you're mixing him up with Bladerunner...

(Nugget:  Edward James Olmos played Gaff in Bladerunner and Adama in the Battlestar Galactica reboot)

2011-05-11 12:26:18
nealjking

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With that font & the magic theme, you could go back to my original proposal: Lindzen's Legerdemain!

2011-05-11 13:10:06
Rob Painting
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Yooper - mixing strictly intentional.

Neal - legemawhat?.

2011-05-11 14:39:37
dana1981
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Thanks guys.

"Neal - legemawhat?"

And that's why we didn't go with Legerdemain ;-)

2011-05-11 14:45:42I did download some Harry Potter fonts
John Cook

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When trying different looks, I used a few Harry Potter fonts - I ended up using "Magic School One" (can't remember where I got it from). I was trying to capture the feel of magician posters (Dana suggested adding the crescent moons).

2011-05-11 23:25:20
nealjking

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leg·er·de·main/ˌlejərdəˈmān/Noun

1. Skillful use of one's hands when performing tricks.

2. Deception; trickery.

2011-05-13 12:34:53It's comments like this that make it all worthwhile :-)
John Cook

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~Qt~ at 09:47 AM on 13 May, 2011

By the way, I love the Lindzen's Illusions button!!!

2011-05-13 12:55:24
dana1981
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Damn skippy. The button rocks!