2010-09-29 07:14:45SkS branded resource on the scientific consensus
Michael Searcy

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I've been maintaining a list of position statements and the like from scientific organizations regarding the human impact on the global biosphere for a while now.  So, I figured why not do some SkS branding on it and seeing if this group had an interest in making it available.

This is a current DRAFT of the document, and I'm open to any and all feedback.  At present the links aren't functional.  They aren't translating from Word, but I wanted to gauge interest before working to get them functional.

2010-09-29 07:37:39
nealjking

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Michael, your link takes one right back here. Not very exciting.

 

 

2010-09-29 07:55:35
Michael Searcy

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Hey Neal.  The link seems to be working for me.  Tried it in both FF and IE.

Here the direct URL to the draft doc...

http://scentofpine.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/skeptical-science-human-impact-consensus-v0-11.pdf

2010-10-23 15:08:58This is actually a great resource
John Cook

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Sorry I didn't notice this thread earlier, thanks for putting this together. I'm working on a page about scientist quotes to express the consensus via individual scientists. This complements that effort nicely by showing consensus via organizations. I want to give it a few weeks to gather enough scientist quotes. Perhaps coordinate the release of this report with the release of the organization consensus for maximum effect.
2010-10-23 22:01:22
nealjking

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Michael Searcy:

I have a nit to pick with you about the beginning:

"Science is not conducted by consensus.  Scientific theories are formulated to
explain the behavior of the natural world based on observations.  Over time,
theories are either updated or rejected in favor of new theories based on
new observations and new data.  As a theory withstands the test of time and
the incorporation of new knowledge its general acceptance within the
scientific community grows."

Actually, science IS conducted by consensus. 

Consensus (Merriam-Webster):

1
a : general agreement : unanimity consensus of their opinion, based on reports…from the border — John Hersey> b : the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned consensus was to go ahead>
2
: group solidarity in sentiment and belief
 
The 1st meaning is clearly applicable to the way science is actually done. The point is that the agreement is an intellectual consensus, emerging out of a balancing of different evidence and arguments, not a political consensus that emerges out of a balancing of power and influence. The discussion occurs in published journals, seminar rooms, lectures, and over beer at conferences. The argument is not, "Will you vote for my idea if I vote for your idea?", because there is no voting: It's a question of which arguments make sense to you and which don't, on an individual basis. Fortunately, we have mathematics and physics to test the consistency of these different arguments.
 
I think we need to reclaim this word "consensus": It's a very useful word, that the climate-change nay-sayers have demonized, rather as Fox News has demonized the word "liberal". I think we can get it back by making the distinction between the processes behind an intellectual consensus and those behind a political consensus.
 
 
 
2010-10-27 13:21:23Update on consensus series
John Cook

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Just a few thoughts on this theme.

Firstly, the "Climate Scientists Talk Climate Change" page is developing, am slowly but surely adding more quotes.

I think when it's ready, we have a "consensus" series where we post about the climate scientists quote. We do a post about Michael's organisation report. But what about a follow-up to Michael's post, inspired by this Joe Romm blog post where he compares proAGW organisations to skeptic organisations - the list speaks volumes:

These Groups Say The Danger Of Manmade Global Warming Is A . . .
FACT FRAUD
U.S. Agency for International Development
United States Department of Agriculture
National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration
National Institute of Standards and Technology
United States Department of Defense
United States Department of Energy
National Institutes of Health
United States Department of State
United States Department of Transportation
U.S. Geological Survey
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Aeronautics & Space Administration
National Science Foundation
Smithsonian Institution
International Arctic Science Committee
Arctic Council
African Academy of Sciences
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Academia Brasileira de Ciéncias
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Royal Society of Canada
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Académie des Sciences, France
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina of Germany
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Accademia nazionale delle scienze of Italy
Indian National Science Academy
Science Council of Japan
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Madagascar’s National Academy of Arts, Letters and Sciences
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society of New Zealand
Polish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Academy of Science of South Africa
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
The Royal Society of the United Kingdom
National Academy of Sciences, United States
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Science
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Physics
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Society of Agronomy
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Botanical Society of America
Crop Science Society of America
Ecological Society of America
Federation of American Scientists
Geological Society of America
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Society of American Foresters
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Engineers Australia
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
Geological Society of Australia
British Antarctic Survey
Institute of Biology, UK
Royal Meteorological Society, UK
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
American Petroleum Institute
US Chamber of Commerce
National Association of Manufacturers
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Industrial Minerals Association
National Cattlemen’s Beef Association
Great Northern Project Development
Rosebud Mining
Massey Energy
Alpha Natural Resources
Southeastern Legal Foundation
Georgia Agribusiness Council
Georgia Motor Trucking Association
Corn Refiners Association
National Association of Home Builders
National Oilseed Processors Association
National Petrochemical and Refiners Association
Western States Petroleum Association
“FACT” organizations from Is There a Scientific Consensus on Global Warming?, SkepticalScience.com.
“FRAUD” organizations are petitioners v. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Endangerment and Cause or Contribute Findings for Greenhouse Gases under Section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act.

 

2010-10-27 14:46:31Comment
Robert Way

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2010-11-04 14:10:20Re: John's "Climate Scientists Talk Climate Change" page
Daniel Bailey
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Visually stunning & impactful.  A "Hall of Fame" or "Who's Who" among climate researchers.

And it puts a human face on the researchers; useful, for visual learners like me.

 

On a side note, Shell Oil recognizes climate change & CO2's role in it here and here.

 

The Yooper