2011-03-06 18:45:58A possible target?
Robert Way

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Anyone know much about these guys, the friends of science?

I see an easy target on their myths page.

2011-03-06 21:26:23Key question
John Cook

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I've heard of them but don't know much about them. The key question is whether by targeting them, will we just draw more attention to them? If they're a small group attracting small attention, we don't want to give them oxygen. But if they're an influential group making inroads in mainstream media and/or policy makers, then yes, it would be worthwhile providing resources debunking them.

2011-03-06 22:53:28Friends of Science (what an Orwellian name!)
James Wight

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I gather they're well-known in Canada. I remember reading (maybe in Climate Cover Up?) that their funding ultimately comes from the fossil fuel industry but is funneled through a series of front groups.

2011-03-07 04:53:38my thought
Robert Way

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I'm not sure whether their profile warrants targetting though they are paying for radio ads in Canada. But the key thing is that by discrediting them you discredit their scientific advisors who are all ph.ds

2011-03-07 05:39:42
nealjking

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Three of the advisers of FoS are:

- Sally Baliunas, one of the authors of the infamous Soon & Baliunas metastudy of paleoclimate temperatures.

- Chris deFreitas, the infamous editor who walked that paper around the peer-review process.

- Tim Patterson

(I got these from the wiki on "Friends of Science".)

 

It seems to me that I haven't heard much from them recently. The last time I saw/heard anything from Baliunas, she was doing a segment of "The Great Global Warming Swindle"

2011-03-07 05:52:36
Rob Painting
Rob
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Neal, that jerk-off De Freitas, writes obfuscatory articles in locals papers here in NZ. Gareth & Bryan over at Hot-Topic normally respond with a blog when an article appears.

2011-03-07 06:04:52FoS
dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli
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I see FoS referenced every so often, but pretty infrequently. I always thought of them as a right-wing think tank like the Heartland Institute, though they claim their scientific advisors work pro bono.  That's rather hard to believe - I suspect they get funding from other right-wing think tanks and then say they work for FoS for free.  Deep Climate calls them an astroturf group.

Their myths page would be some easy pickings - the hockey stick is a computer construct?  Huh?  Maybe they mean a statistical construct.  Calling it a 'computer construct' is just weird.  I see they've got "CO2 isn't a pollutant" on there.  One of my favorites.

It would make for an easy debunk, and an opportunity to re-post some of our previous rebuttals, since there's really nothing we haven't already covered.  But the question is whether they're worth the effort.  Not being Canadian, I don't see much of their stuff, so it's hard for me to say.

2011-03-07 12:32:14FoS now inactive
James Wight

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According to Climate Cover-Up (chapter 5), after their funding sources were revealed, the Friends of Science stopped being active and morphed into the equally Orwellian "Natural Resources Stewardship Project".

2011-03-07 20:04:58
nealjking

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But Robert reports that they're still paying for radio ads in Canada?

2011-03-08 01:20:49
Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey
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Timothy Chase does a nice takedown of FoS in his comment:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=617&p=2#42732

2011-03-08 07:38:33Comment
Robert Way

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i'm not sure if its friends of science who are paying for the adds. I think it was a spin off group to be honest.

2011-04-17 10:57:06
Andy S

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The Friends of Science are a bunch of emeritus oil men, mostly engineeers and geologists, based in Calgary. One of the principals of FoS used to be my boss, way back when CO2 concentrations were less than 340ppm. Their peak BS production has passed, thankfully.

There's a spoof blog called Friends of Gin and Tonic that is aimed at the Friends of Science and other Alberta-based denialists. I know the contributors to FoGT, three Canadians and one Australian. If anyone wants to make an anonymous satirical/humorous post there, email me and I'll put you in touch with them.

2011-04-17 12:43:53
James Wight

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"Their peak BS production has passed, thankfully."

Unfortunately that is one resource which never seems to run out!

2011-06-23 14:24:39
Sarah
Sarah Green
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Andy-

thans for the link to FoGT. I especially like this page, very Canadian.