2010-10-01 09:17:46Shock value tactic in new 10:10 campaign on YouTube
John Cook

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Just caught this ad on YouTube:

My first thoughts – while initially funny, it’s alienating and confirms every worst cliché about environmentalists. Won’t this kind of negative message just turn people off and reinforce the denial instinct? I thought positive messaging was the best way to persuade people. Do we have to resort to shock value to get the message across?

2010-10-01 09:47:27Comment
Robert Way

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This is terribly ineffective... I take offense to it actually. Sure it can be initially funny but man its a terrible message.
2010-10-01 10:18:55
nealjking

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This is really self-defeating.

Was this really put out by "our side"? Looks like an "own goal" to me!

Dumbest thing since dirt.

2010-10-01 11:55:05Apparently it was written by Richard Curtis
John Cook

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Only good thing you can say about this ad is it makes "Love Actually" look good.
2010-10-01 12:07:05comment
Robert Way

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I actually didn't mind Love Actually THAT much... Anyways... I think we should actually condemn this campaign... this is gonna get a lot of air waves when the mass media get ahold of it... I feel it needs to be nipped in the beginning otherwise we become complicit through ignoring it... Nothing full write-up ish or anything but just make note of it and how this is not the way this should be done.
2010-10-01 12:07:40comment
Robert Way

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We could even have the statement signed by all contributing authors who want to...
2010-10-01 12:55:42
James Wight

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I'm speechless.
2010-10-01 14:15:57
doug_bostrom

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Infiltrated by a mole?  The thing reeks of money, too, a shocking lot of it wasted. Might as well have flushed it down the WC.  

2010-10-01 19:11:45
nealjking

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"Might as well have flushed it down the WC."

No, doug, considerably worse than that: If you cut the notes into small pieces, the money wouldn't actually harm the plumbing.

We should completely dissociate ourselves from that film, on the record. 

2010-10-01 21:27:10
Riccardo

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I had not any fun watching this disgusting video. It's hard to believe I have something to share with them. Are we sure that those people are  campainers for and not against the 10:10 campaign?
2010-10-01 21:47:57
Rob Painting
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Actually I do see their point in aiming for shock value, it won't escape attention that's for sure. I note Franny Armstrong's comments over at the Guardian website:

"But why take such a risk of upsetting or alienating people, I ask her: "Because we have got about four years to stabilise global emissions and we are not anywhere near doing that. All our lives are at threat and if that's not worth jumping up and down about, I don't know what is." "We 'killed' five people to make No Pressure – a mere blip compared to the 300,000 real people who now die each year from climate change," she adds."

I don't know about 4 years, it's already too late for the Arctic Sea ice for instance. It continues to worry me that science is does not have a handle on how quickly these changes are occurring. With that in mind, I see where they're coming from. Not that I suggest that Sks endorse them in any way.

 

2010-10-01 21:54:36
nealjking

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Dappledwater,

The problem is that this is a PR campaign. As such, it seems to about as effective as would a program to encourage reduction of CO2 usage by promoting abortions. It practically exemplifies the term "econazi".

This approach towards "changing peoples' minds" is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. 

 

2010-10-01 22:20:45
Rob Painting
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Neal, I don't know about your country, but the mainstream media here in NZ can report on massive floods in Pakistan & China, heatwaves in Russia and not even mention climate change. Is is helpful that the average Joe and Jane don't even realize there's a massive train wreck headed our way?. What's more offensive a few fake deaths or tens of millions of actual ones?.

If I had been given the money to make a short film garnering attention to global warming, I sure wouldn't have spent it on that, I assure you. Sure disagree with their methods, but remember they're trying to avert a global catastrophe, and that video is sure to be noticed. 

 

2010-10-01 22:27:01300,000 people per year dying from climate change?
James Wight

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Does anyone have any idea where this number comes from? I’ve never seen it before. I don’t understand how we could put a number on it.
2010-10-01 23:11:18
nealjking

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Dappledwater,

It'll get noticed all right. It'll get noticed that "all those global-warmists think it's a reasonable idea to blow up people who think differently than they do about CO2."

That will be so helpful here in SkS.

 

 

2010-10-01 23:33:04
Rob Painting
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Unless your planning on doing a post on how to "Dr Manhattan" skeptics, how does that relate to Sks articles?.
2010-10-01 23:40:29
nealjking

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I think this film will be used as a brush to paint ALL "warmists" as econazis.

That includes all "warmist" websites, including SkS.

Therefore, I think it would be very wise to explicitly dissociate SkS from the film and the moral assumptions behind it.

2010-10-01 23:58:18
Rob Painting
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This will come as a shock, but regardless of what is done, the skeptics will claim the same thing anyway. Propaganda and bullshit is all they have, and they're fast running out of time. Why get involved at all?. Any posts relating to the video will simply get deleted anyway.
2010-10-02 00:05:16
Riccardo

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The video is not public anymore, luckly but probably too late.
2010-10-02 01:27:34This is what I'm talking about
nealjking

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"They are so proud of this disgusting video that they made the following 'behind the scenes' one.  One young lad says, "I'm very happy to get blown up to save the world".  Our children are being indoctrinated with violence to suit the climate change agenda.  We really must stop this now so please circulate these videos if you can and show others the mentality of these fanatics."

I don't have a clue as to whether this will die out in a few days or smolder into something comparable to "Climategate".

 

2010-10-02 01:36:14
doug_bostrom

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Worth noting, this tactic flies in the face of what we know of effective risk communications, from the scientific perspective. Pretty ironic, considering one of the fundamental problems with this struggle is lack of understanding of what is "science."