2010-09-30 10:35:58Thought about Climategate
John Cook

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On the intermediate Climategate rebuttal, I hit the two main emails, "hide the decline" and Trenberth's travesty. I just had  a thought. The Republicans look at take back Congress this year and they're promising to have enquiries into Climategate. So that whole issue will rear its ugly head all over again, despite the numerous enquiries clearing the scientists. So perhaps it might be worthwhile doing a collaborative effort where we look at more of the most cited emails, put them into context, compile it into an Advanced rebuttal. This isn't urgent but something to think about.
2010-09-30 11:01:15
doug_bostrom

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The Republicans. Oh, God or Cosmological Constant, please, no. 

You're right of course, there's a strong chance of people looking at the dismal record of the GOP and thinking "Yeah, I'll try that again! I love to hurt."  

Probably a tight synthesis of official review findings would be helpful for "normal" people.  Those are where the most clearheaded perspectives of email content may be found, are in fact the most authoritative "advanced" treatment. 

2010-09-30 13:48:22Inquiries
James Wight

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Why hasn't Skeptical Science ever covered the inquiries which cleared climate scientists? Is it just a matter of not enough hours in the day or is there some other reason?
2010-09-30 14:40:35Not enough hours in the day
John Cook

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In the book we've just sent off to the publisher, I do cover the Climategate enquiries briefly but haven't even got around to putting that info into the website content yet. :-(
2010-09-30 14:48:30
doug_bostrom

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James? 
2010-09-30 15:00:46Yes, Doug?
James Wight

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Yes, Doug?
2010-10-01 16:05:39
doug_bostrom

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Sorry, I was being cute, my point was that you could do a Climategate (aka "Tomsktwaddle") roundup.


2010-10-02 01:51:38Republicans
dana1981
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It's far from guaranteed that Republicans will retake the House of Reps in November (though the odds are in their favor), and while they've threatened to open a Climategate investigation, perhaps it's just an idle threat.  After all, even if they do take over the House, it will have been over a year since the emails were stolen.

It certainly wouldn't hurt to include more of the emails in a rebuttal, but hopefully the Republicans won't beat the issue to death.

2010-10-02 02:00:42
nealjking

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A full & thorough investigation would turn out in the scientists' favor, although painfully gained.

However, the stronger the case made for them in public, the easier it will be for concerned third parties to hold the investigation's feet to the fire to make the scope of the investigation fair and full.

If someone can start putting together that case now, it will not be necessary to scramble (as much) if the events of November 7 turn out as expected.

2010-10-04 17:11:45Am working on it
James Wight

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I am now working on a post based on the Sir Muir Russell inquiry, but it's only at an early stage at the moment. I'll report back when I have something publishable.
2010-10-04 17:14:33Climategate emails
John Cook

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One possible approach would be to hit the most substantial and common emails cited in Climategate. That way, a comprehensive Climategate rebuttal would cover each email/issue briefly then link to each individual rebuttal for more detail. I've already done Trenberth's travesty and "hide the decline". Are there others that commonly rear their ugly heads that would be worth doing?

James, look forward to your post.

2010-10-04 17:52:45
nealjking

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dana1981:

"while they've threatened to open a Climategate investigation, perhaps it's just an idle threat.

...hopefully the Republicans won't beat the issue to death."

Yes, maybe they will focus on fixing something.

Dana, do you think the Republicans have ideas for actually accomplishing anything that will fix anything? The only thing new I have heard from them is, "Don't believe Keynes, stop spending anything (and let the economy go down the toilet)!"

Given a choice between coming up with actually new ideas and thrashing to death everything that's been done in the last two years, I'm betting on the thrashing.

Heck, it would not surprise me if they have so many Climategate & Hockey-stick hearings that poor Mann takes up residency in DC. He may be in need of a decent apartment there soon. The Watergate?

 

 

2010-10-04 22:54:34
doug_bostrom

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Absolutely they'll open an investigation on climate science, as well as a few other things. This is Bread and Circuses with a heavy emphasis on the clowns, not so much baked goods. The media will need to be fed flavor bursts in order to keep our noses distracted from the ugly stink wafting from decaying civil society, the carnage of collapse resulting from political cowardice working hand in hand with insatiable, conscienceless greed.
2010-10-04 23:06:59
nealjking

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doug: In Roman times, the circuses did not have clowns: They had gladiators.

A little bit messier.

2010-10-05 00:42:10
doug_bostrom

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Yeah, Neal, but these days I look and I think "clowns." Or maybe "clones." O'Donnell looks and sounds as though she was cultivated from a Palin mouth swab.
2010-10-05 02:41:57
dana1981
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Neal - believe me, nobody has a lower opinion of today's crop of Republican politicians than I do.  I was merely expressing hope that, assuming they gain the majority, at least they might feel that Climategate is old news.  Probably not, but you never know.

I'm still hopeful that enough American voters will come to their senses in the next month to prevent the Republican House majority.  Especially considering that the House seems to be the only place where Democrats can get anything done.

2010-10-08 06:26:14
Shirley_Rocks
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I get the impression they're going to open up a bunch of (nonsense) investigations into the Administration. It wouldn't surprise me if they try to concoct some link from Obama, Chu, Lisa Jackson, etc. to Climategate, but they're probably shrewd enough to not bother with a Climategate inquiry if they've read any of the outcomes of other investigations. While they surely won't believe everyone was cleared, I doubt they'd waste time where they're not going to come up with anything juicy. On the other hand, if they can concoct something juicy, then I doubt they'd let anything stop them. Especially pesky things like truth, justice or fairness...